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    God Help Us...


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    Wow.
    Just, wow.

    I'd heard gripes from a cop friend here in Milwaukee about their hiring standards being dumbed down, but I didn't know it was anything like this!

    I don't care what a cop looks like*, I expect her (him) to be able to control or diffuse dangerous situations, write reports, testify (honestly!) in court... I think the passing grade should be 75%, w/ hiring preference to those w/ the highest scores, no matter what they look like.

    The video said Dayton revamped their test, including consulting with current officers, to make it very job-related & unbiased. If I were on that force, I wouldn't want to work with a new minority officer because I couldn't trust that s/he was able to do the job adequately.

    I also disagree with lower physical standards for jobs like firefighting, where there's a lot of very physical work & someone's life can depend on the person being able to lift the hose or drag the body out of the building.
    OTOH, accomplishing the same thing in a different way is OK with me.
    If a woman (or smaller man) can drag a test dummy out of a burning building in something close to the same time a larger, stronger man can throw it over his shoulder & walk out, that's OK with me. Either way, I'm not going to burn to death. (& being dragged, I'm down in the coolest air. I'm OK with a few scrapes & bruised heels as long as I'm not dead.)

    * (though I really like looking at the cute guys, and think the ones whose necks spill out over their shirt collars & bellies spill over their belts are gross... lose weight &/or get clothes that fit)
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    Well, its not going to end there...theres still the background investigations, polygraph, physical, drug test, and pysch(o) evaluations...hopefully the interview goes well too...haha

    The standard for testing when I went into the law enforcement field was an 80% was passing. Shoot, for the OPOTA exam I believe you had to score at least around an 80% as well.

    I could see an open carry situation going badly if one of these officers is hired...

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    I read about something like that last year sometime. Don't exactly remember when..

    It is kinda like..

    Umm... Soooo... Yeah.

    Do you feel comfortable with failing grade public servants "enforcing law" around you? Literally failing grade "I make horrible awful choices" people. Enforcing the law for you.

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    haha...very true...its about par for the course here in Ohio though...if it don't work don't fix it I guess...whats the definition of insanity again?

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    When I heard this story last weak my first thought was maybe smart 'minorities' just don't want to be cops.

    And how pissed I'd be that they feel folks with my ethnic background are not "smart" enough to take the "white" guy test? What ever that would mean.
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    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner
    And how pissed I'd be that they feel folks with my ethnic background are not "smart" enough to take the "white" guy test?
    If you watched the video, they interviewed the Dayton NAACP guy, who said pretty much the same thing - don't dumb it down, that's insulting. Then the national NAACP came out with the opposite position, & the local guy seems to have been told to shut up.

    Between saying their members are too stupid to pass a civil service exam and too irresponsible to carry firearms to protect themselves against their less law-abiding neighbors, I don't see why anyone would want to join the NAACP!
    It's a racist organization which keeps perpetuating those negative stereotypes about the people it's supposed to be helping. Why be a part of a group that thinks you're stupid & irresponsible?
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    This reminds me of the Carlos Mencia "lower the standards" skit and the "dee dee dee" song that he does. Anyone curious as to those skits just know that as a comedian he does cuss...a lot.

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    Guess I never looked at it that way...I wonder what would happen if the NRA did that...haha

    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    If you watched the video, they interviewed the Dayton NAACP guy, who said pretty much the same thing - don't dumb it down, that's insulting. Then the national NAACP came out with the opposite position, & the local guy seems to have been told to shut up.

    Between saying their members are too stupid to pass a civil service exam and too irresponsible to carry firearms to protect themselves against their less law-abiding neighbors, I don't see why anyone would want to join the NAACP!
    It's a racist organization which keeps perpetuating those negative stereotypes about the people it's supposed to be helping. Why be a part of a group that thinks you're stupid & irresponsible?

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    Never surprised at what this Administration will do for the minority vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usamarshal View Post
    God Help Us.....
    god is dead man

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    Passing Muster

    "An F is now passing?" No wonder people call him Obooba. Hey, let's allow airline pilots to score Fs and fly you around. Perhaps this dumbing down of America is why we have an economically-challenged President in the White House.

    Pretty much every test we ever had in the military had a mimimum passing grade of 80%. Some were easy. Some were hard. I tell you the truth, though, scoring less than 95% meant an early end to one's career! For many of them, 100% was the expected grade. If you didn't pass muster, you'd hear about it.

    Not much room for error in aviation, nor should there be much room for error in law enforcement. Yes, it is a public safety issue. If I mistype a word on an online message forum, no big deal. If an LEO accidentally discharges his weapon while drawing on a suspect, very big deal.

    58% is a passing grade in Ohio?

    I'm glad I don't live in Ohio!
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    Like the dumbing down of America in our Education system I think the reasons behind this is just an excuse to get more people in as LEO's who simply won't think for themselves are aggressive and will just "follow orders".
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Like the dumbing down of America in our Education system I think the reasons behind this is just an excuse to get more people in as LEO's who simply won't think for themselves are aggressive and will just "follow orders".
    Without a doubt! A country controlled by a few who control a mass of idiots who control the few remaining idiots.

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    lower standards equate to lower expectations, actions, reliability, integrity...........and the list goes on.

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    I feel so much better now...haha

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