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    Federal Way Public Health Center

    I got to take my daughter to WIC tomorrow and the last time I was there, there was a sign that said no weapons allowed... I was under the impression that I could carry in there Open or concealed... Correct me if I'm wrong and info would help... Oh and the sign did have the RCW code on there...

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    If the Federal Way Police will not enforce a fire department's administrative ban on guns, I don't see why they would enforce another agency's administrative ban.
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    I'm pretty sure I've see this sign on all King County public health offices. It says something like "No weapons allowed, except what is permitted by law"

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    I've looked over all the RCW's... and the closes answer I got was this..."The restricted access areas of a public mental health facility certified by the DSHS for inpatient hospital care and state institutions for for the care of the mentally ill, EXCLUDING THOSE FACILITIES SOLELY FOR EVALUATION AND TREATMENT. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress and ingress open to the general public."

    I'm just going there for a check up for my daughter... doesn't the state preemption come in to account for those "signs" that are up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsmith1521 View Post
    I've looked over all the RCW's... and the closes answer I got was this..."The restricted access areas of a public mental health facility certified by the DSHS for inpatient hospital care and state institutions for for the care of the mentally ill, EXCLUDING THOSE FACILITIES SOLELY FOR EVALUATION AND TREATMENT. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress and ingress open to the general public."

    I'm just going there for a check up for my daughter... doesn't the state preemption come in to account for those "signs" that are up?
    Yes they would. WIC is hardly a place that would be considered a prohibited place.
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    I guess I could call but I'm sure I'll get the "It's state laws crap" I'm going to take a pic of the sign, it has the RCW 9.41.300...

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    doesn't the state preemption come in to account for those "signs" that are up?
    The State cannot preempt itself. That's a legal absurdity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    The State cannot preempt itself. That's a legal absurdity.
    But it is still a State law with specifically spelled out areas of no carry.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    But it is still a State law with specifically spelled out areas of no carry.
    Thats the way I see it. The WAC's do not authorize the restriction of firearms in a WIC office.
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    So that sign up there is to confuse people then? I emailed them and I'm still waiting for a response from them... So am I wrong to say that I can go into WIC with my firearm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsmith1521 View Post
    So that sign up there is to confuse people then? I emailed them and I'm still waiting for a response from them... So am I wrong to say that I can go into WIC with my firearm?
    Can't say for sure why the sign is there. Might be the manager of that office thinks he can restrict firearms on his own.

    You are wrong to say that. You can go into a WIC office with your firearm. There is no RCW or WAC, that I can find, that would allow them to restrict firearms.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeroket View Post
    Can't say for sure why the sign is there. Might be the manager of that office thinks he can restrict firearms on his own.

    You are wrong to say that. You can go into a WIC office with your firearm. There is no RCW or WAC, that I can find, that would allow them to restrict firearms.
    I've looked for all the laws that I could and only thing I could find was if WIC was a mental hospital or something. Well I'm going there today with my little one, she has to get a couple of shots... poor girl... thanks for all the help!

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    If this building is a part of the King County Public Health Department, then I have indeed seen these signs. It states something along the lines of "No weapons allowed, except for what is authorized by law" with a picture of a gun in a circle, with a slash going through it. It's just a deceiving sign. It also quotes an RCW that is in regards to the unlawful "carry" or "display" of weapons.
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    I would think the thing to find out is if the building itself is a state building or private property leased to WIC. If it is state building I would think your good to go open carry, if it is private property then they can mandate what they want, you would need to be concealed and hope they dont realize it was you that fired off the email bringing attention to yourself.
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    The WAC's do not authorize the restriction of firearms in a WIC office.
    The WACs don't authorize anything.

    WACs are the means by which various state agencies publish their administrative rules. The authority to make those rules comes from the RCW which creates the agency in question.

    Know your state government and how it operates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post
    The WACs don't authorize anything.

    WACs are the means by which various state agencies publish their administrative rules. The authority to make those rules comes from the RCW which creates the agency in question.

    Know your state government and how it operates.
    Ya freakin think? You are not the only one that knows the operation and function of a government. So far you have posted nothing that gives substance to this discussion. Please do so in the future.

    The point of my post, if you related it to the other posts in the thread, is that the manager of an office cannot restrict something. They must abide by the administrative rules in place. Therefore the WAC does not authorize them, read as office managers, to restrict firearms from the premises.
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    Attachment 5516 So this is the sign... Notice the "Except as allowed by law" I also got an email for DOH and they said that it's a county building not a state... So the way I look at it, you can carry a firearm in WIC... Here's the email, you be the judge...

    Mr. Jones,

    I received your below emailed questions.

    “I notice that there was a sign that said no weapons (guns) at the Federal way location. My question is why? Isn’t the building a state ran building? Which means, a law abiding citizen could walk in with their legally owned firearm, because the state preempts when it comes to gun laws.”

    The Federal Way WIC (Women Infants and Children) clinic is not a state building. The Seattle King County Public Health operates the Federal Way WIC clinic. I have provided a link to their website for your review. http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthserv...ederalway.aspx

    I work for the Washington State Department of Health. Our policy on weapons states “Employees shall not possess any dangerous weapon while in department buildings, on any department campus or grounds, while in a state vehicle, or anywhere while conducting state business. Possessing a concealed pistol permit shall not excuse an employee from complying with this provision. This prohibition does not include tools or utensils used by the employee in the normal course of their duties.”

    I hope this information is helpful.

    Sincerely,

    Carol Wozniak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsmith1521 View Post
    Attachment 5516 So this is the sign... Notice the "Except as allowed by law" I also got an email for DOH and they said that it's a county building not a state... So the way I look at it, you can carry a firearm in WIC... Here's the email, you be the judge...

    Mr. Jones,

    I received your below emailed questions.

    “I notice that there was a sign that said no weapons (guns) at the Federal way location. My question is why? Isn’t the building a state ran building? Which means, a law abiding citizen could walk in with their legally owned firearm, because the state preempts when it comes to gun laws.”

    The Federal Way WIC (Women Infants and Children) clinic is not a state building. The Seattle King County Public Health operates the Federal Way WIC clinic. I have provided a link to their website for your review. http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthserv...ederalway.aspx

    I work for the Washington State Department of Health. Our policy on weapons states “Employees shall not possess any dangerous weapon while in department buildings, on any department campus or grounds, while in a state vehicle, or anywhere while conducting state business. Possessing a concealed pistol permit shall not excuse an employee from complying with this provision. This prohibition does not include tools or utensils used by the employee in the normal course of their duties.”

    I hope this information is helpful.

    Sincerely,

    Carol Wozniak
    Washington State Department of Health
    Community and Family Health Division
    Integrity Unit Manager
    360-236-3638
    So that basically says carry on Good!

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    Print that and carry it with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsmith1521 View Post
    Attachment 5516 So this is the sign... Notice the "Except as allowed by law" I also got an email for DOH and they said that it's a county building not a state... So the way I look at it, you can carry a firearm in WIC... Here's the email, you be the judge...

    Mr. Jones,

    I received your below emailed questions.

    “I notice that there was a sign that said no weapons (guns) at the Federal way location. My question is why? Isn’t the building a state ran building? Which means, a law abiding citizen could walk in with their legally owned firearm, because the state preempts when it comes to gun laws.”

    The Federal Way WIC (Women Infants and Children) clinic is not a state building. The Seattle King County Public Health operates the Federal Way WIC clinic. I have provided a link to their website for your review. http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthserv...ederalway.aspx

    I work for the Washington State Department of Health. Our policy on weapons states “Employees shall not possess any dangerous weapon while in department buildings, on any department campus or grounds, while in a state vehicle, or anywhere while conducting state business. Possessing a concealed pistol permit shall not excuse an employee from complying with this provision. This prohibition does not include tools or utensils used by the employee in the normal course of their duties.”

    I hope this information is helpful.

    Sincerely,

    Carol Wozniak
    Washington State Department of Health
    Community and Family Health Division
    Integrity Unit Manager
    360-236-3638
    She's telling you their employee policy. It has nothing to do with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron1124 View Post
    She's telling you their employee policy. It has nothing to do with you.
    Yeah, that's what I got from it too... I'm not an employee so it doesn't affect me!

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    Phone guy when do we get to hear your audio?
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    the attachment link didnt work for me.
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    I realize that from the e-mails that is not the case in this instance. BUT, if a business so chooses to post a no firearms sign. It would seem then your ignoring the sign would constitute trespassing no? Kind of like the right to refuse service to anyone at anytime for any reason. If a business states something clearly on there business wouldnt that make you in the wrong? If not I am going into McDonalds without shoes no shirt

    If my understanding is correct then the OP did the right thing. Because if it was posted(well wait.. lets assume it was private business) then the OPs ignoring the sign would constitute tresspassing thus endangering his/her freedom and or right to carry at all. I realize state pre-emption and all that, I am just curious as to once its a private establishment... where is the line?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
    I realize that from the e-mails that is not the case in this instance. BUT, if a business so chooses to post a no firearms sign. It would seem then your ignoring the sign would constitute trespassing no? Kind of like the right to refuse service to anyone at anytime for any reason. If a business states something clearly on there business wouldnt that make you in the wrong? If not I am going into McDonalds without shoes no shirt

    If my understanding is correct then the OP did the right thing. Because if it was posted(well wait.. lets assume it was private business) then the OPs ignoring the sign would constitute tresspassing thus endangering his/her freedom and or right to carry at all. I realize state pre-emption and all that, I am just curious as to once its a private establishment... where is the line?
    WIC is not a private business... The building I went to is ran by King County... The sign they have up is "No weapons allowed, unless allowed by law"...

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