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    Thumbs up WEIRDNESS IN WISCONSIN by Massad Ayoob....CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY!

    http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/

    Scroll down a bit on the page to the "Weirdness In Wisconsin" article he wrote. Oh, please, someone send this to Bender and all those others who demand we get permits and forced training.

    Now here is a real police veteran, trainer, legal expert, etc.... saying we should have "Constitutional Carry" in Wisconsin.

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    I sent him the link and copy/pasted the specific article : Priceless

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    That is a good article. But the sad truth is that sending it to people like bender would just fall on deaf ears. It is always an uphill battle to get the rights that are supposed to be "God Given". We just need to stay on point, fight for our rights, and never give up until we get our rights.
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    Good for Ayoob.

    Edit: This gif is kind of cool, minus the fact that it seems to imply "right to carry" = permitted carry.

    Last edited by marshaul; 03-23-2011 at 08:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    That is a good article. But the sad truth is that sending it to people like bender would just fall on deaf ears. It is always an uphill battle to get the rights that are supposed to be "God Given". We just need to stay on point, fight for our rights, and never give up until we get our rights.
    Oh, he was only the first on a long list of people who are going to get this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    Oh, he was only the first on a long list of people who are going to get this.
    Works for me. I just think he will take it as a personal attack or start talking about the "Difference of opinion" in a way that will imply that Massad is somehow confused or less of an instructor for his beliefs.

    But that's just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    Oh, he was only the first on a long list of people who are going to get this.
    I would love to hear what he says about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    I would love to hear what he says about it.
    Your wish is my command.

    Thanks. I came across this earlier today. I suspect a carry bill will be revenue neutral as it is in other states.
    Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    Your wish is my command.



    Huh?
    Perhaps he should write more clearly. What is revenue neutral?

    Edit: Yes, I really do know what he means, but he shouldn't hide what he means. Say explicitly what you have to say! Have some testicular fortitude to stand up for what you truly believe in!
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    Lol, that is politician for "I am wondering how much I am gonna make off this bill".

    Good to know that when it comes to our rights and freedoms there are still those whose primary concern is making money off the insecurities and fears of others. Makes me proud to know there is someone else like that so the rest of us can focus on what really matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcawdor57 View Post
    http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/

    Scroll down a bit on the page to the "Weirdness In Wisconsin" article he wrote. Oh, please, someone send this to Bender and all those others who demand we get permits and forced training.

    Now here is a real police veteran, trainer, legal expert, etc.... saying we should have "Constitutional Carry" in Wisconsin.
    He makes good points. Thanks for posting this.

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    Ayoob is a legendary Icon in the struggle for Concealed carry there is no smarter guy walking.

    I emailed the article to all of my legislators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    Your wish is my command.

    Thanks. I came across this earlier today. I suspect a carry bill will be revenue neutral as it is in other states.
    Huh?
    Politispeak for "Politely F+uck Off"....With wording like his we better be careful to make sure he dont run for office.

    Either there is revenue or there aint...Revenue is anything but neutral.

    I dont care how Bender says it... Its still a Tax !!!

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    Thanks. I came across this earlier today. I suspect a carry bill will be revenue neutral as it is in other states.
    Come to think of it, Constitutional Carry is "revenue neutral". I don't spend any money for permits/training, the state doesn't spend any money for permits/training. All is right with the world.
    Of course, the state doesn't get any income either. Nor do I for being part of an armed citizenry, which we all know is a great crime deterrent. Win win for all except the BGs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    Good for Ayoob.

    Edit: This gif is kind of cool, minus the fact that it seems to imply "right to carry" = permitted carry.

    Alabama isn't a "shall issue" state and hasn't been for quite some time.

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    Here's a link directly to the "Weirdness in Wisconsin" article . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTG-05 View Post
    Alabama isn't a "shall issue" state and hasn't been for quite some time.
    So I have been informed. I didn't make that map. I just thought it was cool (not for accuracy so much as for being illustrative).

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    Sent this to my representatives (Nass and Kedzie) as well as Rep August and Mursau:

    Massad Ayoob is a nationally recognized expert on concealed carry. He writes specifically about WI.

    The graphic at the bottom of the article is a very good depiction of the spread of freedom in the country.

    Here is the salient point:

    "Gun owners’ civil rights activists have a brilliant answer: simply pass permitless carry. Called “Constitutional carry” by some, such a law allows any law-abiding citizen with a clean criminal record to carry loaded and concealed in public. It will entail only a cost-free vote and a stroke of the Governor’s pen. That model has worked for Vermont for as long as any living citizen can remember, and every year Vermont is one of our lowest crime states per capita, some years THE lowest. It has worked for years in Alaska. It is working in Arizona, and will undoubtedly work in Wyoming, which just became the fourth state to pass permitless carry.
    It will work in Wisconsin. It would be a brilliant stroke that would cut the Gordian Knot, at least on this issue, for an entangled Wisconsin legislature."

    http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/Massa...-in-wisconsin/

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