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    SHOCKING AUDIO: Philadelphia Police violate rights of open carrier at gunpoint

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-vUYeJXSrA

    Listen as a citizen exercising his 2nd amendment right to legally bear arms was violently assaulted by Philadelphia Police with no cause.

    In Pennsylvania carrying a gun is not reasonable suspicion of a crime and not justification for a stop and search or a detainment.

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    I hope he makes a mint.

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    OMG that officer is a jack butt....WTF they are treating him like he is a criminal that just kilt someone....

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    what date did this happen?

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    get an attorney asap.

    officer appeared to conduct seizure absent reasonable suspicion o crime or that you did not thave a license. Seizures may not be conducted to conduct license checks. See Delaware v. Prouse.

    officer appeared to disarn and search you absent reasonable suspicion that you were both armed AND dangerous. See terry v. ohio.

    officer appeared to have assaulted and battered you without justification via lawful Terry stop and other circumstances justifying such conduct.

    if the department has a policy to conduct such seizures, then injunctive relief against entire city should be sought.
    Last edited by Mike; 03-24-2011 at 07:48 AM.

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    Looks like we need some oppen carry picnics with families attending in philedelphia - anybody have time to reserve a Philly park and coordinate this?

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    incompetent, unprofessional, threatening and intimidating, foul mouthed, rights violating bastards.

    note to self; another reason to carry. protecting myself from the police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Looks like we need some oppen carry picnics with families attending in philedelphia - anybody have time to reserve a Philly park and coordinate this?
    I highly disagree with this method and propose another method of engagement.

    Let's strip away the exception from the UFA giving cities of first class the requirement to have people obtain an LTCF to open carry.

    We can bring cities of first class like Philadelphia up to the standards of the rest of the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    incompetent, unprofessional, threatening and intimidating, foul mouthed, rights violating bastards.

    note to self; another reason to carry. protecting myself from the police.
    Well put. This entire video is just sickening.

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    Only shocking if you're unfamiliar with Philadelphia unfortunately.

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    guys, this is disgusting. i have family in PA and i would hate to think that any of them would come in contact with this PD. i would be down for a road trip for an open carry picnic. i'm sure police would show up with a mobile command center like they did here in warren, MI. good times. don't worry philly will eventually relax when they realize they have no legal footing. we have seen it all over the place in michigan, cops barely look twice at OCers here anymore.
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    I would have told that cop to shoot me.

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    We had a rogue city in Virginia. Norfolk thought they could use "police muscle" to threaten open carriers into submission. I thought it dawned on them that they could not win when over 100 openly carrying citizens attended the Norfolk City Council meeting. They were so brazen that they arrested an open carrier later that evening. I believe that what finally convinced them was the federal law suits.

    Because of this past experience I believe that Philadelphia will not change without a fight. They have anti gun politicians that provide top cover to wretched behaviour by sworn officers to supress legal behavior.

    Engage in tactical skirmishes. Remember:

    1) Work in groups whenever possible.
    2) Always record.
    3) Be polite, no matter how bad the police behave.
    4) Do not surrender any of your rights.
    5) Speaking is not good, but if you must open your mouth, quote the PA and US Constitution. Answer no question only ask why they think it is OK for somebody that has sworn to uphold the law, violates the supreme law as a matter of routine.

    Be prepared for bad things from the Philly Police. They do not get as disrespectful as they were on the recording without tacit approval from supervisors of these thug tactics.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Much worse than most California stops. For a sergeant the cop really did not know what he was doing.

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    Sue the ever loving hell out of them!!!! Then do it again!!!!
    Lower the crime rate by lowering the criminal survival rate!
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    there are 4 parts to this video up on youtube now
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    I think $1,000,000.00 is a good starting point.

    Brandishing a firearm with intent to cause bodily harm is a pretty serious crime.

    Very serious violation of rights, poor interpretation of the law...

    I don't even know where to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by office888 View Post
    I think $1,000,000.00 is a good starting point.

    Brandishing a firearm with intent to cause bodily harm is a pretty serious crime.

    Very serious violation of rights, poor interpretation of the law...

    I don't even know where to start.
    Agree to the sue part! Unfortunately the officer is probably a fishing buddy of the IA investigating officer! He didn't make sargent without a buddy in IA.

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    It would be helpful if we had a date. Contact an attorney.

    Quote Originally Posted by t1m0thy View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-vUYeJXSrA

    Listen as a citizen exercising his 2nd amendment right to legally bear arms was violently assaulted by Philadelphia Police with no cause.

    In Pennsylvania carrying a gun is not reasonable suspicion of a crime and not justification for a stop and search or a detainment.

    Mike has the best advice. Contact an attorney. I would love to know the date this happened. It is starting to get wide distribution. You can bet that a lot of Philadelphia police are watching this video. They have the name of the person involved, their address, and access to lots of personal information. Get an attorney now.

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    Greeting, my fellow OC/CC'ers/ One of the gentlemen from the Kentucky forum just posted the link to this audio recording. It is one of the worst encounters that I've heard or seen EVER!

    Where does this situation stand currently? Has an attorney been secured?
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    I was in touch this evening with Mark and he has not been able to secure legal counsel as of yet. If anyone has a referral or is an attorney please PM me and I can get you in touch with him.

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    I hope he sues.

    Though he should have done EXACTLY what the officer said..just to make his case stronger.

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    It has been a week or more!

    It has been seven day or more since the event. What did the attorney say!? Did the attorney suggest talking to Internal Affairs or not?
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    No attorney that has been consulted thinks it is worth fighting. One that would have taken it lives too far away. No one wants to take on Philly when it comes to this issue.

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    let me contact a lawyer friend of mine in philly. if he says he's interested, i'll pm the appropriate people.
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