It is what it is, Some cops are law abiding just as you or I, but there are many that
have their own agenda.
Well, at least I have got you to admit not all cops are bad cops.
Yes But there also in not a Prohibition of such either. Would you let this happen?
No, because there is no law requiring that I do so, so naturally I would refuse. What we've been discussing is if the bill as currently written becomes law that you show your permit and ID upon demand of a LEO. If it's law and you do not comply with said demand, you get a ticket for 25.00 You say you'll refuse, you get a ticket. To me, all that accomplished was a lighter wallet for you and a heavier one for them. Now if you think that somehow, one day you'll amass enough of these so as to show harrassment of some sort, I'm curious...how many would that be in your mind?
I do wonder though, TO WHOM DO THEY ADDRESS THE TICKET TO...if you don't show ID???
Hmmmmm...
Because it is the law for now.
So is the seat belt law is it not? Yet you say you don't comply with it.
What bothers me though Rick is the law requiring you to get that permit is unconstitutional Rick...and yet...you complied. It violates your rights Rick and yet there you are...permit in wallet at all times...such a good, little, obedient...slave...errr...citizen.
THAT didn't bother you...classes, training, fingerprints, photos...and money. None of it bothered Rick, there he was happily going along. Fingers full of ink, standin' in line to fire that one shot, listenin' attentively in class, smilin' for the mug shot and payin' all the way. Prolly even ran to the mailbox everyday to lookey see if it came, agonizing over each day it hadn't. None of that bothered Rick though, IT'S BEING ASKED TO SHOW IT!!! THAT BOTHERS RICK!!!
LOL..sort of strange don't you think...Rick?
That's ok, I understand, you've had enough, you're mad as hell and you're not gonna take it anymore!!!
I'm just bustin' em' Rick...I'm still proud of ya. ; )
Unless they can provide P/C and swear to it that I am in violation of any law(s) of the state or to National Security, then I have in fact the right as to not provide any documentation to them nor anybody else.
You do have that right no doubt about it but I don't believe cops to be as dumb as you keep saying they are and in this case you get a fine. Your bet is that you somehow get enough of these to use as a case against them...what if you don't? What if you only get one a year? Is that enough? Do you have enough money to really follow it through? Court costs can add up fast.
Because if you don't get harassed then what? all you are...is out 25.00 you haven't accomplished anything.
No. But, I have no reason to have a law changed that already exist, if followed in accordance with the law and constitution. You seem to think that we have no RIGHTS, WHY?
I'm referring to the clause in the bill that says you have to show ID & permit or get a 25.00 fine, referring to having THAT changed. I never said we don't have rights. What I'm saying is while this clause is clearly in violation of them I think the best way to go about changing it is to say something NOW...OR...if it goes through with it, to keep calling and writing our reps until they listen.
I did the other night to a Hillsborough County Dept. and NOTHING!!!,
and there is nothing he can do.
LOL...please get that on vid next time, I'm pretty sure that would be a Youtube first and garner millions of hits.
I have been driving for (30) Thirty Years and have only ONCE (20)years ago when it was $25 that I had a seat belt ticket, and will refuse do to wear one.
So you pick and choose which laws you'll follow. You do know a seatbelt can make all the difference in an accident yes? Getting away with it...doesn't mean it's a good idea. You really should buckle up, not because they say you have to but hell if you have people that love you or even if you love life...click it. To me, it's a must do as much as making sure the gun is unloaded before cleaning, there are no sometimes...it's EVERY time. And I drive an 01' WS6 T/A with Ram Air, a 3400 stall, Borla exhaust, Stainless Steel headers and an LS1 Edit tune. The seat belt goes on.
Only if a law is Constitutional, and from what you are stating is that when a law is made in a state then it is law, you are 100% incorrect look at Chicago , look at DC they made a law and was overturned by the Supreme Court as Unconstitutional where do you get your facts? This is America and it is One Nation NOT an Independent land of States. rules do apply to them as well.
No, you misunderstand me if you think I'm saying any law made by a state is automatically Constitutional, of course it isn't, hell half the Federal laws aren't either. What I'm saying is choose carefully HOW you battle...that is all.
We all want the same thing, we just may take different routes getting there.