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    Fix gun checks truck

    the mayors against guns group has a bus or truck that is goin around the country to get stricter gun checks when buying guns and its coming to tucson this monday..just to let everyone know.. im also thinkin bout just droppin by wit the wifey and OC there..its was on the local news
    http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=14331069
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    I left a comment. GunBurger had a comment on it also on Facebook.

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    Did anybody OC by it?

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    That would make me want to make a "statement" that would greatly inconvenience them.
    I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do those things to other people and I require the same of them.

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    I think you could be polite and just piss on one of their tires...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    I think you could be polite and just piss on one of their tires...
    I'd rather piss on their shoes...

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    I hope they get carjacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    I hope they get carjacked.
    Now there is a news headline I'd love to see...

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    seems like a reasonable group to me.

    Stricter background checks, and They also want all records of criminals and others who are barred from buying guns to be included in the background check database.

    Whats so bad about that?

    Now I know its not going to solve all the problems, but MIGHT keep a gun out of at least one BGs hand. These rules don't even affect any law abiding people.

    Also from what I understand, these new rules wouldn't even have changed the Tuscon shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy05 View Post
    seems like a reasonable group to me.

    Stricter background checks, and They also want all records of criminals and others who are barred from buying guns to be included in the background check database.

    Whats so bad about that?

    Now I know its not going to solve all the problems, but MIGHT keep a gun out of at least one BGs hand. These rules don't even affect any law abiding people.

    Also from what I understand, these new rules wouldn't even have changed the Tuscon shooting.
    Imagine you want to give your son a firearm that's been a family heirloom for 90 years. How would you feel about becoming a felon by doing so, unless you and your son went down to an FFL and had them handle the transfer complete with filling out a 4473, calling in a NICS check, and pocketing a $50 fee for their trouble?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy05 View Post
    seems like a reasonable group to me.
    Then you have not done your homework or have joined the wrong forum by mistake.





    Their anti-Second Amendment truck says something about 34 murders w/guns every day.

    It should read:


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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    Then you have not done your homework or have joined the wrong forum by mistake.





    Their anti-Second Amendment truck says something about 34 murders w/guns every day.

    It should read:



    Well all i was givin was this article to read



    TUCSON, AZ (KOLD) - Some of the victims of Tucson's mass shooting will be speaking out about gun control this week.

    Victims and families will be joining the group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, on Monday to push for reform.

    The group wants Congress to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, by requiring all gun buyers to pass a background check. They also want all records of criminals and others who are barred from buying guns to be included in the background check database.

    After the January 8th shooting that killed six people in Tucson, the group launched a truck tour, touting the slogan, "Fix Gun Checks." The group is traveling the country, asking Americans to sign a petition supporting their plan.

    The truck will make a stop in Tucson Monday afternoon at Jacome Plaza downtown.


    Still doesn't seem to unreasonable to me. Im sure the family heirloom story happens all the time. Im sure there are FFLs out there that can do that on the cuff for that .01% situations.

    Whats so bad about wanting all records of criminals and others who are barred from buying guns to be included in the background check database???? Sounds like a good idea to me, I would have thought this was already being done!

    And requiring all gun buyers to pass a background check. Makes sense to me. If I was barred from buying a gun, obviously this would make it a little more difficult. Not impossible, but a little more difficult.

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    That's what the BATF 4473 is for... (Gun Control Act of 1968 18 USC) But nothing is 100% or ever will be. Y'know... there's this 'privacy' thing that's a slippery slope. Do we keep motor vehicles (or anything else) out of the hands of dangerous people? Then... there's this minor 'Constitutional Right' thing... ya might have heard of that? VPC and the Brady bunch feed on the ignorance of the general populace. Y'know... depleted critical thinking skills 'n all that. They play on emotion alone... Most libs are in that camp. GCA 68 has been in effect for 42 years... Minor point. It's done NOTHING to alter illegal human behavior. It never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy05 View Post
    Well all i was givin was this article to read
    Thank you for proving both of my points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy05 View Post
    Makes sense to me. If I was barred from buying a gun, obviously this would make it a little more difficult. Not impossible, but a little more difficult.
    Those that cannot be trusted with a firearm cannot be trusted with kitchen knives. The only way to keep guns (or kitchen knives) out of their hands is to keep them somewhere they cannot get guns (or kitchen knives.) Which came first: massive violent crime or revolving door "justice" system?

    Also, who is to say who is a "criminal"? Will you still support it when YOU are added to their list?

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    I've got no problem with getting everything into the NICS database that should be there.

    Requiring every gun purchase to go through a dealer with a background check is stupid though.

    It's already illegal for a felon to buy a gun from anyone. It's illegal to sell a gun to someone you know is a felon. It's illegal to buy a gun with the intent of transferring it to someone you know isn't legally able to buy it for themselves.

    They do it anyway.

    The only thing this will do is to make felons of good people who want to transfer guns between each other without hassle.

    Is it worth making felons of good people in order to make it maybe a little more difficult for bad people to get guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy05 View Post
    seems like a reasonable group to me.

    Stricter background checks, and They also want all records of criminals and others who are barred from buying guns to be included in the background check database.

    Whats so bad about that?

    Now I know its not going to solve all the problems, but MIGHT keep a gun out of at least one BGs hand. These rules don't even affect any law abiding people.

    Also from what I understand, these new rules wouldn't even have changed the Tuscon shooting.
    They seem like a "reasonable" group to you? Reasonable in what way exactly? How do you propose to keep a gun out of the hands of a criminal? Convicted criminals generally don't go to your local gun store to buy a firearm--they buy them on the street and from friends.

    I don't mean to come off like an a$$hat here BUT--criminals are criminals for a reason. They don't play by the same rules you or I do, they don't abide by the laws that our individual state legislatures pass. In fact they couldn't care less what laws your legislators or mine pass. Tennessee makes it a crime to merely possess a gun while providing only certain DEFENSES to the crime of "going armed with the intent to go armed". Now in AZ you are now a totally free state--you can carry a gun open or concealed and do so without a permit. Here we cannot and it makes me want to vomit because criminals here don't need a permit to carry, they don't have to pay that stupid $115 application fee and they don't have to dish out about $100 more for their state mandated permit class. They simply take their gun conceal it and go about their merry business to wreak whatever havoc they want as they see fit. Let a law abiding citizen carry without their mandated state approved privilege card and watch what happens.

    The point of all of this is this: It isn't about safety, it isn't about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals or the mentally unstable. It is about two primary motivations (A) control and (B) money. (A) because the government wants to take and turn your right to carry into a mandated privilege by fear mongering to the masses, with the ultimate goal of making every state a mirror image of NYC or Chicago where only the thugs and the police can carry-and look what a wonderful situation those two cities have with crime. Make the people afraid and they are more easily controlled--and control is what it is primarily about. They NEVER miss a chance to capitalize on a tragedy.

    (B) Money. I don't know about AZ but in TN a privilege card will cost about $200 by the time you get done paying. It is about making money for the state in the form of background checks, application fees and privilege fees, not to mention making a fortune for the permit instructors.

    If you think this is about safety or security you would do well to rethink it--because it isn't and never has been.

    My .02 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    I don't mean to come off like an a$$hat here BUT--criminals are criminals for a reason. They don't play by the same rules you or I do
    Where do you draw the line and decide to become a criminal? I break a dozen or more laws a day, most are considered felonies. Yet no one is harmed, and I've done nothing wrong to anyone.

    When the Law becomes something you can break while not hurting someone else, and have the punishment be so severe that you are stripped of your basic human rights for doing it... The notion that the Law is something one should respect and obey becomes a pretty silly notion.

    I can't say I marginalize the so-called 'criminals' much anymore. I am one. I have more integrity and decency in me than those who wrote the Laws. Compliance with what you know is wrong? Or Defiance as the only path left to do what is right?

    Which one would you be proud of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    Where do you draw the line and decide to become a criminal? I break a dozen or more laws a day, most are considered felonies. Yet no one is harmed, and I've done nothing wrong to anyone.

    When the Law becomes something you can break while not hurting someone else, and have the punishment be so severe that you are stripped of your basic human rights for doing it... The notion that the Law is something one should respect and obey becomes a pretty silly notion.

    I can't say I marginalize the so-called 'criminals' much anymore. I am one. I have more integrity and decency in me than those who wrote the Laws. Compliance with what you know is wrong? Or Defiance as the only path left to do what is right?

    Which one would you be proud of?
    I think you missed the point. Or perhaps I didn't elaborate properly--to require citizens to (A) have a permit or (B) undergo all of these background checks to carry a gun is ridiculous. Criminals don't do background checks and they don't do permits. The ONLY people harmed by these stupid requirements are the people. Legislatures pass these laws because it brings them $$$$--and $$$$ is what it has always been about.

    Which do you want--a privilege that can be stripped from you as easily as it is given or a right given to you even before the Constitution was written?

    Stricter gun control does nothing, has done nothing and will do nothing to stop violent crime.


    We the people are the individuals being marginalized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    I think you missed the point. Or perhaps I didn't elaborate properly--to require citizens to (A) have a permit or (B) undergo all of these background checks to carry a gun is ridiculous. Criminals don't do background checks and they don't do permits. The ONLY people harmed by these stupid requirements are the people. Legislatures pass these laws because it brings them $$$$--and $$$$ is what it has always been about.

    Which do you want--a privilege that can be stripped from you as easily as it is given or a right given to you even before the Constitution was written?

    Stricter gun control does nothing, has done nothing and will do nothing to stop violent crime.

    We the people are the individuals being marginalized.
    I understand your point in the absolute. I'm adding the next part of the conversation: We know Permit/Licensing/Checking is an evil scam, so why do it?

    I get it, I'm not dwelling on it. what is the next step? The next thought? We have determined truth, what to do with it?

    I'm suggesting that the criminalization of the honest man demonstrates that 'criminals' are merely citizens who refuse to feed tyrants. Yes, it's all about money. So stop giving it to them. Be a 'criminal.' Don't feed the beast.

    Break the Law like a good Freedom-Loving Patriot should.

    Where did this Country come from? Obedience to the Crown? Pshaw...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy05 View Post
    seems like a reasonable group to me.

    Stricter background checks, and They also want all records of criminals and others who are barred from buying guns to be included in the background check database.

    Whats so bad about that?

    Now I know its not going to solve all the problems, but MIGHT keep a gun out of at least one BGs hand. These rules don't even affect any law abiding people.

    Also from what I understand, these new rules wouldn't even have changed the Tuscon shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    I understand your point in the absolute. I'm adding the next part of the conversation: We know Permit/Licensing/Checking is an evil scam, so why do it?

    I get it, I'm not dwelling on it. what is the next step? The next thought? We have determined truth, what to do with it?

    I'm suggesting that the criminalization of the honest man demonstrates that 'criminals' are merely citizens who refuse to feed tyrants. Yes, it's all about money. So stop giving it to them. Be a 'criminal.' Don't feed the beast.

    Break the Law like a good Freedom-Loving Patriot should.

    Where did this Country come from? Obedience to the Crown? Pshaw...
    The issue with your idea is this--one person doing it and refusing to play along gets steam rolled over. It would take so many as to totally overwhelm the system and make it impossible to enforce the privilege card laws that are on the book in most states. As I am sure you recall--the colonials did not stand up as a single person--and those foolish few who actually did usually ended up at the end of a rope. The colonials refused to play ball with the crown, joined as individuals--but they fought together in a single cause and it took from 1775-1781 to gain independence. But they did it as one. Everyone who signed that Declaration of Independence committed treason and sedition against the ruling government in England. The end result of all of that is what you have today...

    Now the problem is--what this country has now are good sheeple. They are brainwashed into obeying and complying. Try to get enough people together as to accomplish a repeal of the privilege card law and tell me how that works out for you--people here in this country don't want by and large to take a stand for anything anymore, because they have been properly brainwashed to comply with every demand regardless of what rights get trampled in the process.

    People don't want to rock the boat and quite frankly they worship the permit system as some sacred cow because that is what the masses have been brainwashed into doing.

    I agree that we should refuse to sit in the back of the bus. Now the question is--how do you get enough people as a whole to refuse to sit in the back of the bus and actually make a difference and where do you start first--because it would be I think a state by state movement.

    Until enough people are willing to take a stand as one and refuse to have their rights trampled on anymore--all of this is just academic.
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