Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Texas should investigate illegal gun running by BATFE

  1. #1
    Regular Member Thundar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,961

    Texas should investigate illegal gun running by BATFE

    Texas should investigate the Fast and the Furious criminal activity of the BATFE
    The criminal gang known as the BATFE has illegally conspired to traffic firearms from Arizona to Mexico in gross violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968.

    There is currently a Federal investigation into the activities of this criminal organization. I would however highly recommend that the good citizens of Texas urge their Attorney General to launch an investigation into project fast and furious to determine the scope of the violations of Texas Law that have been perpetrated by this criminal organization. The Feds do not investigate violations of state law, which by all accounts I have read, were committed hundreds of times.

    The Texas Governor should stand up to the Feds again and see that any criminal conspiracies perpetrated by the BATFE are punished to the fullest extent allowed by Texas law.

    You guys have some pretty good sheriffs, maybe they would like to investigate large scale gun running in their counties.

    Remember, if you let these scum urinate on your laws once, they will do it again and again until somebody makes them stop.

    Good Luck and Happy Hunting,
    Thundar
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

  2. #2
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Las Cruces, New Mexico
    Posts
    242

    Details?

    In New Mexico, any citizen can file a criminal complaint.

    Did any of this happen in New Mexico?

  3. #3
    Regular Member pooley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    texas
    Posts
    185
    Quote Originally Posted by PracticalTactical View Post
    In New Mexico, any citizen can file a criminal complaint.

    Did any of this happen in New Mexico?
    I would laugh for about 4 hours straight if senior BATFE officers were "extradited" to NM or TX to face criminal trial!

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Las Cruces, New Mexico
    Posts
    242
    Everybody in the gun world is always bagging on ATF, but like any organization they have good and bad folks.

    Based on my experiences, I think the good ones would be as eager as any of us to have the bad ones out of everybody's hair. Just think of that annoying jerk two cubicles over that everybody in your office hates, it's just like that really


    Shameless Sig Plug: Practical Tactical Training - The Best CHL class value in Southern New Mexico. PM me for details or call 575-520-8888

  5. #5
    Regular Member Thundar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,961
    Quote Originally Posted by PracticalTactical View Post
    In New Mexico, any citizen can file a criminal complaint.

    Did any of this happen in New Mexico?
    Not that I can tell, or I would have posted in the NM section as well.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

  6. #6
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Granite State of Mind
    Posts
    4,509
    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    Texas should investigate the Fast and the Furious criminal activity of the BATFE
    The criminal gang known as the BATFE has illegally conspired to traffic firearms from Arizona to Mexico in gross violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968.

    ...

    The Texas Governor should stand up to the Feds again and see that any criminal conspiracies perpetrated by the BATFE are punished to the fullest extent allowed by Texas law.
    What violation of Texas law is there to investigate?

  7. #7
    Regular Member rodbender's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Navasota, Texas, USA
    Posts
    2,524
    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    What violation of Texas law is there to investigate?
    I read that some of these guns were purchased at Carter's Country in Spring and Houston. Nope can't cite it, it was too long ago.
    The thing about common sense is....it ain't too common.
    Will Rogers

  8. #8
    Regular Member Jack House's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    I80, USA
    Posts
    2,661
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...investigation/


    Cite'd, Carter's County nearly lost their license and had to fight a long ass time to clear their name.

  9. #9
    Regular Member Jack House's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    I80, USA
    Posts
    2,661
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...investigation/


    Cite'd, Carter's County nearly lost their license and had to fight a long ass time to clear their name.

  10. #10
    Regular Member Thundar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,961

    What a sight to behold

    Sure would be great if we coulsd see Holder and the BATFE Munchkin hauled away in handcuffs and leg irons by the Texas Rangers!
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

  11. #11
    Regular Member Thundar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,961
    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    What violation of Texas law is there to investigate?
    1) Cospiracy. No cite necessary

    2) Unlawful Transfer of Certain Weapons

    Cite:
    Texas Penal Code 46.06. Unlawful Transfer of Certain Weapons
    (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
    (1) sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun
    to any person knowing that the person to
    whom the handgun is to be delivered intends to
    use it unlawfully or in the commission of an unlawful
    act;
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    pottsboro,texas
    Posts
    200
    Well now if a branch of the batf were found doing these or any other criminal acts in texas and if the information as well as the rewards are collected and shared to inhance at least two or more if not all of the many branches of the batf then I would truly believe that what we have is a violation of the R.I.C.O. act
    This would also put them in the criminal gang profile and what is the Texas stance on members of criminal gangs and carrying guns .... your not even allowed to get a ccl if you are a member of a criminal gang.
    As far as the "well they arn't all bad just because of a few bad ones cry goes", I say they get the guilty by association rule, they put it on the mafia, bike, street, race, prision,and political gang members, bad or good ,especially the good ones so they will tattle on the others. yup, give them all the G B A rule ...unless there are any good BATF ones that wanna rat fink for us.....any takers....well....don't be afraid....step up, because if you don't help us we cannot help you ......right?
    Our ancesters, veterens, and people of the service gave and are giving their time and sacrifice to preserve and defend our rights . it''s up to us the people to show appreciation by not sacrificing but investing time to exercise and preserve those rights.......the bushwacker...

  13. #13
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Granite State of Mind
    Posts
    4,509
    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    1) Cospiracy. No cite necessary
    C'mon, you could have at least tried!

    BTW, Rule 5 makes it incumbent upon you to cite to authority whenever you claim a rule of law.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    ) Unlawful Transfer of Certain Weapons

    Cite:
    Texas Penal Code 46.06. Unlawful Transfer of Certain Weapons
    (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
    (1) sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun
    to any person knowing that the person to
    whom the handgun is to be delivered intends to
    use it unlawfully or in the commission of an unlawful
    act;
    Fails on several points. First, this case was about rifles, not handguns, so PC 46.06 doesn't even apply. Second, mens rea is a tough barrier to climb, and this requires meeting the "knowing" level, not just "recklessly" or even "should have known".

    For PC 46.06 to apply, someone has to provide a handgun to another while knowing that the other person intends to use it unlawfully or in the commission of a crime. Meeting the standard of evidence here pretty much requires incontrovertible evidence that the transferor and transferee discussed the intended future unlawful use of the handgun (again, it doesn't apply to long guns like those involved in this case).
    Last edited by KBCraig; 04-02-2011 at 06:02 AM.

  14. #14
    Regular Member Thundar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,961
    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    C'mon, you could have at least tried!

    BTW, Rule 5 makes it incumbent upon you to cite to authority whenever you claim a rule of law.



    Fails on several points. First, this case was about rifles, not handguns, so PC 46.06 doesn't even apply. Second, mens rea is a tough barrier to climb, and this requires meeting the "knowing" level, not just "recklessly" or even "should have known".

    For PC 46.06 to apply, someone has to provide a handgun to another while knowing that the other person intends to use it unlawfully or in the commission of a crime. Meeting the standard of evidence here pretty much requires incontrovertible evidence that the transferor and transferee discussed the intended future unlawful use of the handgun (again, it doesn't apply to long guns like those involved in this case).
    1) Project gunwalker was mostly rifles, but also included handguns.

    2) Knowledge of future unlawful use will be easy to prove with the information that is forthcoming in the congressional subpoenas.

    Come on Texas: Arrest and prosecute the gun running BATFE bastards whose criminal behavior caused the death of a US Border Patrol Agent.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

  15. #15
    Regular Member Thundar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,961

    Good News, the possible criminal culpability conversation is also beginning elsewhere

    Others are asking about BATFE criminal culpability. From FAVSTOCKS:
    …Since I live in Arizona, I have a much closer vested interest in how border issues are handled…
    …To find out that the US BATF is supplying the weapons that may be used to kill me and my family makes me very concerned, and very angry…
    …How do our so called Police agencies escape prosecution from such blatant and aggressive illegal behavior? Who has granted the BATF the de facto license to kill active duty members of other US Government policing agencies?...
    Link: http://www.favstocks.com/mike-harris...rtels/0642287/
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •