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    BATF to ban tactical shotguns?

    I hope you’re not one of those gun owners who said, “They’ll never come for my shotguns.”
    If you are, I’m afraid the rain is about to fall on your parade.
    You see, the ATF is coming for your shotguns … with a vengeance.
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    they are trying to open up the field here, and attack rifles and handguns that dont "fit" later. A slippery slope

    A gun dealer told me that other dealers are buying up all the saiga shotguns so they can jack the prices up later because of this.

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    The webpage sees to be short on details, and long on advertisements to sell a book. Does anyone have any information that isn't quite so self-serving?

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    have an ATF and state of michigan legal sawed off side by side 12 guage i named 'mary kate and ashley'..if trhey have a problem with tactical shotguns they REALLY are going to have a problem with that..i had to register it as a handgun in mich..wonder if that matters

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    Funny, I can use my 20" barreled 'tactical' shotgun for hunting, provided I throw a scope on it, take the flashlight off, and put in a wooden plug. All of that would take about 10 minutes of modification.

    Been meaning to do that too, now that I mention it; haven't hunted in years. I imagine even my tactical shotgun could throw a rifled slug 50 yards with relatively good accuracy.

    If not, well; I just happened to have this tragic boating accident...
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    Make no mistake: This ban will affect hundreds of gun makers who produce shotguns that are currently in use not only by law enforcement and the military in the United States but also home owners who simply want an effective home defense shotgun.
    Or for use as defense against a rogue government. But then the BATF probably doesn't think the people should ever have such a need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malignity View Post
    Funny, I can use my 20" barreled 'tactical' shotgun for hunting, provided I throw a scope on it, take the flashlight off, and put in a wooden plug. All of that would take about 10 minutes of modification.

    Been meaning to do that too, now that I mention it; haven't hunted in years. I imagine even my tactical shotgun could throw a rifled slug 50 yards with relatively good accuracy.

    If not, well; I just happened to have this tragic boating accident...
    Why the scope?... I didn't know a scope was a legal requirement. (I understand the plug and the light, though.)
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    This has been in the works for a long time.
    http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=6413

    ATF wants to limit shotguns to only those having a legitimate sporting purpose - note to self, must reread the 2A to find those words.

    Don't see this going anywhere unless we fall completely asleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcgunfan View Post
    The webpage sees to be short on details, and long on advertisements to sell a book. Does anyone have any information that isn't quite so self-serving?
    Sorry about that, I was on my way out the door when I seen this.. I will search about and find something that's not a sales ad for a book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    Why the scope?... I didn't know a scope was a legal requirement. (I understand the plug and the light, though.)
    Bead sight. No law stating I need a scope, but I actually would like to attempt to hit my target with good accuracy, not just relative accuracy.

    I've actually been looking for a reflex sight that's affordable and will stand up to a shotgun blast. Truth be told, I think that'd be ultimate badass.
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    Why all the hubbub? Its the same shell stuck in the same pipe, it just has stuff bolted and welded to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryptonian View Post
    have an ATF and state of michigan legal sawed off side by side 12 guage i named 'mary kate and ashley'..if trhey have a problem with tactical shotguns they REALLY are going to have a problem with that..i had to register it as a handgun in mich..wonder if that matters
    i want one. where could i go and get one already made?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElectricianLU58 View Post
    i want one. where could i go and get one already made?


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    the ones with the working hammers are gorgeous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve View Post
    I hope you’re not one of those gun owners who said, “They’ll never come for my shotguns.”
    If you are, I’m afraid the rain is about to fall on your parade.
    You see, the ATF is coming for your shotguns … with a vengeance.
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    http://www.nationalgunrights.org/ale...ical-shotguns/
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    That was pointless. Not exactly the go-to gun for criminals, just a solid, reliable, accurate shooter.

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    Exclamation

    The folks from Ohio have provided info here - http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7744 - plus links to the ATF report stating "sporting purpose " as hunting,trap and skeet as the only criteria for importing shotguns!And a link for public comments to prevent Obama from getting his way!PASS IT ON!
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    I have been obsessed with weapons since I was a little kid. I have one definate favorite firearm, the Saiga 12. I had to sell mine last summer due to hard financial times, and to not be able to replace it when i'm able to afford one (plus parts and conversion work) would be beyond dissapointing. Hell if I could only own one gun and made it a sentimental rather than practical choice, it would be a S-12. They're supposed to make the decision around May 1 I think. Even if these become a destructive device and cost 1200. for a stock NIB model, I have to have one. There is no substitute for it, my favorite gun ever. I'm seriously worried about these getting import halted or worse become DDs.

    I'm a Kalashnikov guy, gotta replace an AK and get a PSL too, I also like Glock and Ruger handguns, need a 1911 too maybe the Remington R1 or the new Ruger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steppe Sweeper View Post
    I have been obsessed with weapons since I was a little kid. I have one definate favorite firearm, the Saiga 12. I had to sell mine last summer due to hard financial times, and to not be able to replace it when i'm able to afford one (plus parts and conversion work) would be beyond dissapointing. Hell if I could only own one gun and made it a sentimental rather than practical choice, it would be a S-12. They're supposed to make the decision around May 1 I think. Even if these become a destructive device and cost 1200. for a stock NIB model, I have to have one. There is no substitute for it, my favorite gun ever. I'm seriously worried about these getting import halted or worse become DDs.

    I'm a Kalashnikov guy, gotta replace an AK and get a PSL too, I also like Glock and Ruger handguns, need a 1911 too maybe the Remington R1 or the new Ruger.
    A family member has the s-12. I told them to never get rid of it because I will take it off their hands if they ever plan to.
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    I've been looking to purchase two Saiga 12's. Can't find them.
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    Heres the link to the actual study. Interesting read. Plinking is not a sport.

    There is talk that the "sporting purpose" is unconstitutional after the Heller decision.

    http://www.atf.gov/publications/fire...n-shotguns.pdf

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    what a waste of my tax money

    the second amendment renders any argument about "sporting purposes" null and void. at one point they reference "low light". is it not ok for me to defend myself at night in a low light situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfox View Post
    I've been looking to purchase two Saiga 12's. Can't find them.
    I'm hoping that we'll end up with US makers building from scratch S-12's. As quality control goes, Russia is pretty horrible. I helped with one S-12 conversion, and I'm impressed by the design and oh dear God are they fun to shoot, but sheesh they need some higher standards of production.

    If we could get them made in the USA, coming standard with goodies like straight in and out magazine changes including with drums, suppressors, last shot bolt hold open and interchangeable barrels, with no need to ever consider converting anything, it'd be well worth it to spend 1,200 plus on them, and they'd sell a lot. For such an efficient system which should cost so little to make, you'd think that folks like Tromix would have been building their own complete guns for a long time now.
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    Not sure if you can order them but I think that Red Jacket Firearms builds their own Saiga shotguns. They are the shop that is on History channel "Sons of Guns".

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