BATF to ban tactical shotguns?

steve · Mar 31, 2011

I hope you’re not one of those gun owners who said, “They’ll never come for my shotguns.”
If you are, I’m afraid the rain is about to fall on your parade.
You see, the ATF is coming for your shotguns … with a vengeance.
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http://www.nationalgunrights.org/alert-atf-to-ban-tactical-shotguns/

stainless1911 · Mar 31, 2011

they are trying to open up the field here, and attack rifles and handguns that dont "fit" later. A slippery slope

A gun dealer told me that other dealers are buying up all the saiga shotguns so they can jack the prices up later because of this.

kcgunfan · Mar 31, 2011

The webpage sees to be short on details, and long on advertisements to sell a book. Does anyone have any information that isn't quite so self-serving?

kryptonian · Mar 31, 2011

have an ATF and state of michigan legal sawed off side by side 12 guage i named 'mary kate and ashley'..if trhey have a problem with tactical shotguns they REALLY are going to have a problem with that..i had to register it as a handgun in mich..wonder if that matters

malignity · Apr 1, 2011

Funny, I can use my 20" barreled 'tactical' shotgun for hunting, provided I throw a scope on it, take the flashlight off, and put in a wooden plug. All of that would take about 10 minutes of modification.

Been meaning to do that too, now that I mention it; haven't hunted in years. I imagine even my tactical shotgun could throw a rifled slug 50 yards with relatively good accuracy.

If not, well; I just happened to have this tragic boating accident...

CoonDog · Apr 1, 2011

Make no mistake: This ban will affect hundreds of gun makers who produce shotguns that are currently in use not only by law enforcement and the military in the United States but also home owners who simply want an effective home defense shotgun.

Or for use as defense against a rogue government. But then the BATF probably doesn't think the people should ever have such a need.

DrTodd · Apr 1, 2011

malignity said:
Funny, I can use my 20" barreled 'tactical' shotgun for hunting, provided I throw a scope on it, take the flashlight off, and put in a wooden plug. All of that would take about 10 minutes of modification.

Been meaning to do that too, now that I mention it; haven't hunted in years. I imagine even my tactical shotgun could throw a rifled slug 50 yards with relatively good accuracy.

If not, well; I just happened to have this tragic boating accident...

Why the scope?... I didn't know a scope was a legal requirement. (I understand the plug and the light, though.)

Grapeshot · Apr 1, 2011

This has been in the works for a long time.
http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=6413

ATF wants to limit shotguns to only those having a legitimate sporting purpose - note to self, must reread the 2A to find those words.

Don't see this going anywhere unless we fall completely asleep.

steve · Apr 3, 2011

kcgunfan said:
The webpage sees to be short on details, and long on advertisements to sell a book. Does anyone have any information that isn't quite so self-serving?

Sorry about that, I was on my way out the door when I seen this.. I will search about and find something that's not a sales ad for a book.

malignity · Apr 3, 2011

DrTodd said:
Why the scope?... I didn't know a scope was a legal requirement. (I understand the plug and the light, though.)

Bead sight. No law stating I need a scope, but I actually would like to attempt to hit my target with good accuracy, not just relative accuracy.

I've actually been looking for a reflex sight that's affordable and will stand up to a shotgun blast. Truth be told, I think that'd be ultimate badass.

stainless1911 · Apr 3, 2011

Why all the hubbub? Its the same shell stuck in the same pipe, it just has stuff bolted and welded to it.

ElectricianLU58 · Apr 4, 2011

kryptonian said:
have an ATF and state of michigan legal sawed off side by side 12 guage i named 'mary kate and ashley'..if trhey have a problem with tactical shotguns they REALLY are going to have a problem with that..i had to register it as a handgun in mich..wonder if that matters

i want one. where could i go and get one already made?

Grapeshot · Apr 4, 2011

ElectricianLU58 said:
i want one. where could i go and get one already made?

These are all NFA Weapons and require a Federal Form 3 or 4 Transfer.

http://www.hatchergun.com/sbs.htm

Badger Johnson · Apr 4, 2011

Now THAT'S an Open Carry!!

ElectricianLU58 · Apr 4, 2011

the ones with the working hammers are gorgeous.

Haman J.T. · Apr 4, 2011

steve said:
I hope you’re not one of those gun owners who said, “They’ll never come for my shotguns.”
If you are, I’m afraid the rain is about to fall on your parade.
You see, the ATF is coming for your shotguns … with a vengeance.
Continued at -

http://www.nationalgunrights.org/alert-atf-to-ban-tactical-shotguns/

Obama already banned importation of 1 million used M1 Garands from S Korea,the kind you can buy from CMP (civilian marksmanship program) cheap!

stainless1911 · Apr 4, 2011

That was pointless. Not exactly the go-to gun for criminals, just a solid, reliable, accurate shooter.

Haman J.T. · Apr 13, 2011

The folks from Ohio have provided info here - http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7744 - plus links to the ATF report stating "sporting purpose " as hunting,trap and skeet as the only criteria for importing shotguns!And a link for public comments to prevent Obama from getting his way!PASS IT ON!

Steppe Sweeper · Apr 22, 2011

I have been obsessed with weapons since I was a little kid. I have one definate favorite firearm, the Saiga 12. I had to sell mine last summer due to hard financial times, and to not be able to replace it when i'm able to afford one (plus parts and conversion work) would be beyond dissapointing. Hell if I could only own one gun and made it a sentimental rather than practical choice, it would be a S-12. They're supposed to make the decision around May 1 I think. Even if these become a destructive device and cost 1200. for a stock NIB model, I have to have one. There is no substitute for it, my favorite gun ever. I'm seriously worried about these getting import halted or worse become DDs.

I'm a Kalashnikov guy, gotta replace an AK and get a PSL too, I also like Glock and Ruger handguns, need a 1911 too maybe the Remington R1 or the new Ruger.

xmanhockey7 · Apr 22, 2011

Steppe Sweeper said:
I have been obsessed with weapons since I was a little kid. I have one definate favorite firearm, the Saiga 12. I had to sell mine last summer due to hard financial times, and to not be able to replace it when i'm able to afford one (plus parts and conversion work) would be beyond dissapointing. Hell if I could only own one gun and made it a sentimental rather than practical choice, it would be a S-12. They're supposed to make the decision around May 1 I think. Even if these become a destructive device and cost 1200. for a stock NIB model, I have to have one. There is no substitute for it, my favorite gun ever. I'm seriously worried about these getting import halted or worse become DDs.

I'm a Kalashnikov guy, gotta replace an AK and get a PSL too, I also like Glock and Ruger handguns, need a 1911 too maybe the Remington R1 or the new Ruger.

A family member has the s-12. I told them to never get rid of it because I will take it off their hands if they ever plan to.

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