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    Recorder Question

    I want to record the meeting the 11th at the police department. The question Im having is with the expectation of privacy part of the law. The meeting is to be held in a meeting room, but we have to pass a locked door which requires an electronic pass key. Ive never seen anyone go past that point without escort. Therefore, Im not certain that I could legally record the meeting. Could I record with their permission?

    The other problem is that they dont want us to be carrying in this meeting, claiming that it is a secure area. I dont think its the time and place to argue the point, we are after a much more important issue, but I still want to know.

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    Notify them you will be recording. If they will not agree then terminate the meeting.
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    Well looking at the fact you can record phone conversations you have with someone else and do not need their consent because you are one of the parties involved I see no reason why you cannot record it. I also see no reason for them to have a problem with you recording it. What would they be saying/doing that they would not want it recorded.
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    Auto, If we terminate the meeting, we are going to be stuck. At that point, someone will have to be arrested in order to gain access to the courts. That will have to be appealed, which could take forever. Meanwhile, they will try trespass on the next OCer, then Disturbing public meetings on someone else who OCs. According to a conversation that Army mentioned earlier this year, some WTPD dont think you can OC in ANY gun free zone. Someone could be charged, and have to fight against a charge for OC in a bar, or any other GFZ in the area, not just a school.

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    Michigan is a single party consent state. Are you an active participant in this meeting. If so, do you consent?

    Then you're good.

    Justice Corrogan proved this...her meetings were alway in a secured area. The Supreme Court private chambers...
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Michigan Supreme court just ruled in favor of Dr. Dre where he secretly recorded(subsequently used in movie) a meeting with police officer Gary Brown after it was agreed no recording would take place. The fact the meeting was with a public official on duty overrode any expectation of privacy.

    http://www.connectmidmichigan.com/ne...aspx?id=594986

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    Quote Originally Posted by scot623 View Post
    Michigan Supreme court just ruled in favor of Dr. Dre where he secretly recorded(subsequently used in movie) a meeting with police officer Gary Brown after it was agreed no recording would take place. The fact the meeting was with a public official on duty overrode any expectation of privacy.

    http://www.connectmidmichigan.com/ne...aspx?id=594986
    Same thing I was getting ready to post, you should be fine stainless.

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    Measure twice, cut once.

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    stainless you might be confusing recording with pistols in secured areas.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Michigan is a single party consent state. Are you an active participant in this meeting. If so, do you consent?

    Then you're good.

    Justice Corrogan proved this...her meetings were alway in a secured area. The Supreme Court private chambers...
    Yes I agree with TheQ on this one.
    Don't ask or they'll just say no.
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    I was thinking that they might claim that there is a reasonable expectation of privacy in the secure areas.

    They might argue that people make confessions, speak in confidence, inform on people, and prepare for cases in these areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I was thinking that they might claim that there is a reasonable expectation of privacy in the secure areas.

    They might argue that people make confessions, speak in confidence, inform on people, and prepare for cases in these areas.
    Worst case scenario,FOIA their recording.You have a legal right to record or put your discussion with those who work for you(us) on paper.
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    Thats an excellent Idea. I have every intention of full disclosure with all you guys on this. I was planning on releasing the audio via youtube, but if we can get it printed in text, Ill post it here. How much $ would it cost for the FOIA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Thats an excellent Idea. I have every intention of full disclosure with all you guys on this. I was planning on releasing the audio via youtube, but if we can get it printed in text, Ill post it here. How much $ would it cost for the FOIA?
    It'll cost for FOIA whatever the cost is for the least qualified employee to reproduce the records for you.

    The Agency MAY wave the FOIA costs.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Do you think there reading this thread??

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    Probably. I suspect they are reading the other one too. we have "Nothing to hide".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vmaxx View Post
    Do you think there reading this thread??
    Let them read. If WPD is not planning to do any kind of provocation to Stainless, then why would they be afraid if someone records this meeting? Not only he should record, but do this recording live through cell phone to make sure that recording can not be destroyed while at WPD.

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    I dont have a phone that can do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I dont have a phone that can do that.
    you do not need any special phone. Sign up free at http://www.freeconferencecalling.com. You will be given a phone number to call and a password. Just call this number right before the meeting and get it running. The conversation is recorded live. You will be able to retrieve it from secure server later on.

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    I like the free conference call idea.

    Anyone ever thought of using a livescribe pen?

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    Yes.....
    Bought one. Video will not record just audio...lol
    Might try purchasing another.... Looking at getting a Looxcie. A bit $$$$ though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Michigan is a single party consent state. Are you an active participant in this meeting. If so, do you consent?

    Then you're good.
    +1

    In Michigan, if you are a party to a conversation, you may record it yourself without notification of anyone else . . . public convo, private convo, phone convo, doesn't matter. Two things are essential: you are a party to the convo, and you are doing the recording.

    My attorney told me this to my face in her office. Consult your own attorney if you wish to validate or have further questions.

    I personally never have nor ever will notify anyone I'm recording them if they are talking to me or I'm talking to them. I recommend, after recording a conversation you are party to and you want to use the recording but you have questions about using the recording, bring it to your attorney and consult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scot623 View Post
    Michigan Supreme court just ruled in favor of Dr. Dre where he secretly recorded(subsequently used in movie) a meeting with police officer Gary Brown after it was agreed no recording would take place. The fact the meeting was with a public official on duty overrode any expectation of privacy.

    http://www.connectmidmichigan.com/ne...aspx?id=594986
    i hadn't heard the disposition on that case yet. good news for everyone! 1st amendment, winning!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scot623 View Post
    Michigan Supreme court just ruled in favor of Dr. Dre where he secretly recorded(subsequently used in movie) a meeting with police officer Gary Brown after it was agreed no recording would take place. The fact the meeting was with a public official on duty overrode any expectation of privacy.

    http://www.connectmidmichigan.com/ne...aspx?id=594986
    This would indicate that recording the meeting would be legal.
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    Wpd

    stainless give me a call i know its monday but what time. I hopefully start moving friday. I left Pontiac in the wind ill be living in Waterford and dealing with Both high schools WMHS and WKHS and the middle school of pierce. This kind of affects me since i do carry at the Parent teacher confrences and have done so in the past. I had to sell my handgun and rifle due to some unforseen circumstances out of my control. So this summer i might looking at gettin something. Found a S&W M&P 357 sig

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    I'll call you. Good luck with the move, FWIW, They have some older revolvers at megapawn for around a hundred, not the best, but better than nothing.

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