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    The Right Politician

    Some of the guys that we should be voting for, supporting or Ron and Rand Paul. Texas and Kentucky's Senators. (R) Both these guys are 100% Constitution, and in essence 100% Gun rights. I know their track record and on 2nd amendment issues is almost flawless. Two of the few that are in it for the right reasons.

    Here is Rand Paul (R) for Kentucky having some fun.



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    Here is Ron Paul:

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    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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    We just need to stop splitting votes between so many people, pick one, and run with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    We just need to stop splitting votes between so many people, pick one, and run with it.
    These politicians are not being split, they are from two different states. Texas and Kentucky. Ron Paul will be running for president in 2012. If we vote for him this country will get a whole lot better! Do some research on him.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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    I like Ron Paul

    This year, BTW, (Im not a Republican or Democrat), Michigan elected a governor. The right had run several people and split the votes. The right still one, but the votes for Bouchard, or Cox were split, and some guy named Snyder won. Cox would have been better, Bouchard, ok, but this Snyder guy, whoever he is, who knows?

    Republicans are notorious for screwing up like that, pick one, and run with it.

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    I have supported Ron Paul every time he has run, as a libertarian, and as a republican, but MHO is, he will not run again next year.

    His purpose in the last election was to garner enough votes to have some influence. Came close out here, but not close enough.

    Whether Rand will or not? we'll see. You have to remember, the business as usual guys in the republician party really do not like either of these two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    I have supported Ron Paul every time he has run, as a libertarian, and as a republican, but MHO is, he will not run again next year.

    His purpose in the last election was to garner enough votes to have some influence. Came close out here, but not close enough.

    Whether Rand will or not? we'll see. You have to remember, the business as usual guys in the republician party really do not like either of these two.
    Yeah, but there is a growing movement lately in America. The grassroots movement and a overall movement towards libertarian and constitutionalism. It is small now but gaining influence and momentum. He has already stated that if he was shown enough interest he would run in 2012 (Ron)
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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    I wont vote for anyone that doesnt have a significant chance of winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I wont vote for anyone that doesnt have a significant chance of winning.
    I won't even comment on that. Ok I guess I will, You perdy much just go with the front runner of the time. (the most popular guy(OBAMA)) You don't vote on principles (which is what it SHOULD be about). The only way to change the "significant chance of winning" is you me and everybody else voting for who we believe in not just whos in the two major parties. I wonder how many good presidents that have not been elected because people think the way you do. If a candidate has about a 5% chance of winning but signifies to me that he has all the attributes that I admire in a leader I will vote for him.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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    You're on the right track here. The only thing thats missing is someone who is worth voting for, and who is electable. I would love another Regan, or someone like Alan Keys, or Ron Paul, but what we really need, is someone IN the office, not someone that we agree should be in the office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    You're on the right track here. The only thing thats missing is someone who is worth voting for, and who is electable. I would love another Regan, or someone like Alan Keys, or Ron Paul, but what we really need, is someone IN the office, not someone that we agree should be in the office.
    All I'm saying is you got to have faith and believe. If everyone had not gotten behind M.L.K how would history be different? I can see that times are changing I will choose to be on the "right" side.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I wont vote for anyone that doesnt have a significant chance of winning.

    And that is the attitude that will insure we have more of the same big government folks in office. That is the attitude that dooms our republic. That is the exact attitude that the big government statists, on both sides of the isle count on for their survival.
    A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.- Thomas Jefferson March 4 1801

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I wont vote for anyone that doesnt have a significant chance of winning.
    Why, do you win something if your guy gets elected? I've been lurking on this forum for a while, but I had to register because this comment made me upset. I hear comments like this all the time from all over the place, even on TV. Bill O'Reiley was talking about CPAC and made a comment about Ron Paul winning. He dismissed him with a wave of his hand and went on to talk about the runner up, Rudy Gulianni. What is it about Ron Paul that makes him so un-electable? He has a 20+ year record of standing up for the constitution and sticking to his principles. If everyone keeps the attitude of only voting for the guy that they think is going to win, then the wrong guy is always going to get elected.

    Vote with your heart and not your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beo View Post
    Why, do you win something if your guy gets elected? I've been lurking on this forum for a while, but I had to register because this comment made me upset. I hear comments like this all the time from all over the place, even on TV. Bill O'Reiley was talking about CPAC and made a comment about Ron Paul winning. He dismissed him with a wave of his hand and went on to talk about the runner up, Rudy Gulianni. What is it about Ron Paul that makes him so un-electable? He has a 20+ year record of standing up for the constitution and sticking to his principles. If everyone keeps the attitude of only voting for the guy that they think is going to win, then the wrong guy is always going to get elected.

    Vote with your heart and not your mind.
    Because Ron Paul isn't your republican republican. He is more of a Libertarian, and republicans and democrats (the same twigs of the same branch) are statists and are anti constitutional and don't want someone like Ron Paul to win.
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    Like I said, run someone who is both worth electing, and electable, and dont split the votes by running half a dozen people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Because Ron Paul isn't your republican republican. He is more of a Libertarian, and republicans and democrats (the same twigs of the same branch) are statists and are anti constitutional and don't want someone like Ron Paul to win.
    I don't know the point you are trying to make, but the other posters below my last comment have it right. If we are going to change America's politics then we have to start with the people we vote in office. If everybody truly knew who Ron Paul was, and what he was about; AND voted then he would have NO problem getting into office. I just won't be a part of putting someone in office that slowly destroys our constitution. I'm sorry if he doesn't get elected but that's how I feel. (Random) I bet the founders of this forum vote Ron Paul for president.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by END_THE_FED View Post
    And that is the attitude that will insure we have more of the same big government folks in office. That is the attitude that dooms our republic. That is the exact attitude that the big government statists, on both sides of the isle count on for their survival.
    Love the name. Also means that you love Ron Paul seeings how he is the FEDs main critic.


    If everyone that believes in Paul actually take 10-15 mins to explain to 10 people each what Paul is about, that is how you plant a seed in the minds of others. I mean the civil unrest in the Middle East was started by a Facebook page...
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    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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    Slightly OT

    How many truly believe that "electing" the "right" man/woman will fix America? Really? What can one man or woman do in the face of the the enshrined power manifested in DC?

    Also, is there any chance that the "right" person can actually end up on the ballot? When we are presented with Obama or McCain? Bush or Gore? Sure, we get to vote. For THEIR candidates only. Is that really a choice?

    Mr. Cynic signing off. Good luck on that election thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom First View Post
    How many truly believe that "electing" the "right" man/woman will fix America? Really? What can one man or woman do in the face of the the enshrined power manifested in DC?

    Also, is there any chance that the "right" person can actually end up on the ballot? When we are presented with Obama or McCain? Bush or Gore? Sure, we get to vote. For THEIR candidates only. Is that really a choice?

    Mr. Cynic signing off. Good luck on that election thing.
    Ron Paul, you could have voted for him in 2008. You must of been to far up the medias A** to realize. Yes, it DOES start with one man. Already his son (who is just like him) has been elected to congress. I only ask that you stop voting, so people that actually care about America can vote "the right" people.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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    Wow. Way to influence people...

    Quote Originally Posted by protect our rights View Post
    Ron Paul, you could have voted for him in 2008. You must of been to far up the medias A** to realize. Yes, it DOES start with one man. Already his son (who is just like him) has been elected to congress. I only ask that you stop voting, so people that actually care about America can vote "the right" people.
    Actually I did and I don't spend much time up anyone's a** as you so kindly put it... I am in the CFL and I supported all the local TP candidates as well. So please save your bad attitude for those who need it.

    And in the upcoming election cycle I will again support RP and the TP but I do wonder about when we will see that this system is clearly broken. And then what will you do? Vote for some other guy? Or get mad at the right people?

    The following items are not to start a fight, I'm trying to make a point. Please hear what I am saying, this is not an attack...

    I have found that a majority of the Tea Party and Ron Paul supporters that I meet are just as ignorant of basic civics and American history as the Obamites. Stupid is a permanent condition but ignorance can be fixed as it is just the lack of specific information on a given subject. I've met very few stupid people but I have encountered hordes of ignorant folks.

    How many of us 2A types are well versed on the Founding Documents of this country? Can you define the word and the concept of "Federal" as the Framers understood it? How about Militia? Why is the 17th Amendment bad for America? Who disarmed your State? Why are your children slaves? Finding the answers to questions like these will lead you down the rabbit hole into a view of America far different than that of the "typical" American.

    I hope you can discuss your views coherently and in a civil manner as I believe that we as Americans need to become a far less divisive group and more inclusive. We need to steer away from the Party mindset entirely and into a neighbor relationship.

    George Washington said the following, "However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."

    Think about what he is saying here. Who is he talking about? Have they already done it?

    Have a good day and remember to think before you react. Be safe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beo View Post
    ...What is it about Ron Paul that makes him so un-electable? He has a 20+ year record of standing up for the constitution and sticking to his principles.
    You ask a question and then answer it yourself...

    The Beltway types don't like him. They will put up the "legitimate" choices for us little people to vote on and RP will never make the actual horserace. He gets to debate but it's just a show. I'd love to be wrong and I will be voting for him come primary time, but the smoke filled rooms will never let him win.

    This thing is rigged. Today our Republic is a functioning Oligarchy. Sorry if that offends but it's so true. Today the Few rule over the Many in America. Read George Washington's words in my above posting. He's right. They elevate themselves and then destroy the ladder for the rest of us.
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    1911, People like you are the reason that Ron Paul, and others like him, don't win. This is because people like you listen to the media when they tell you he can't win, and believe them.....and the Republican party tells them that he can't win, because they do not want him to win.

    The replublocrats do not want limits to what they can do, they do not want limited government...it would cut into their power and influence (if not their personal income.)

    What do you hear from the "regular" politicos? Look what I got you, and it didn't cost you anything extra....no? I brought home the "bacon" and it is free to you...It was paid for by the people that are "rich" and the greedy corporations. (The definition of "rich" used is: "anyone that makes more money than you do". Long gone (and deceased 1989) WA US Senator Warren Magnuson (1944-1981) was exceptionally good at that game.

    Business as usual candidates...ok, but don't cry when the country falls on it's face, and you have no rights left. You know the credit crunch? You ain't seen nothing yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protect our rights View Post
    I don't know the point you are trying to make, but the other posters below my last comment have it right. If we are going to change America's politics then we have to start with the people we vote in office. If everybody truly knew who Ron Paul was, and what he was about; AND voted then he would have NO problem getting into office. I just won't be a part of putting someone in office that slowly destroys our constitution. I'm sorry if he doesn't get elected but that's how I feel. (Random) I bet the founders of this forum vote Ron Paul for president.
    I know lots of people that loved Ron Paul, both on the fake left and fake right, but they were afraid that he wouldn't win and the party they didn't like the most would win. I have never voted in my life, but I think I am going to register and vote purely libertarian. I don't really believe in party politics but it is a party (or a libertarian running under the R name) that will make changes.

    Hermann in is post above mine covered what I meant a little more eloquently in the above post.
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    I have voted in every election since I became a US citizen in 1970. Mostly vote libertarian, sometime republican...depends on the person. Way back, first time Ron ran, I got myself elected to the state republican convention...got my precinct caucaus to go along and nominate Ron, did not go beyond there because as you know Ron was not nominated by WA.

    That was Hamburg precinct in Skagit County, if none of you think Ron can take the west side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I know lots of people that loved Ron Paul, both on the fake left and fake right, but they were afraid that he wouldn't win and the party they didn't like the most would win. I have never voted in my life, but I think I am going to register and vote purely libertarian. I don't really believe in party politics but it is a party (or a libertarian running under the R name) that will make changes.

    Hermann in is post above mine covered what I meant a little more eloquently in the above post.
    I agree with you on the voting Libertarian. I just can't stand for what republicans have become in this day and age. Like I said Ron Paul has been preaching this all along, but most of America is only just now waking up to it after the Country goes through economic crisis. Brought on by politicians and the F E D. I love that RP has not changed his views to any significant degree over the last 20+ years. His son is also a must have in congress. Maybe we need to elect the whole Paul family..?
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Like I said, run someone who is both worth electing, and electable, and dont split the votes by running half a dozen people.

    Ron Paul and several other republicans ran for President. He lost the primary and another "republican" won the primary and went on to the general. Ron Paul was not in the general election. How was this "splitting the vote"?
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