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Hello First Post , unfortunately not a very positive one,I am 18 years old & Today i went for the first time to buy 22LR ammo at my local wallymart in CA. I arrived at the sporting goods counter, and asked for some 22 lr amunition. Lady respontded by asking for my I.D . I wished to show it to her til she had the ammo at the counter but she would not budge. I showed her my I.D and mumbled something about 18 not being old enough. I reminded her i was buying ammunition for a rifle. She goes gets the ammo and starts tinkering with the computer. She tells me the machine is telling her i have to be 21, even though a sign on top says 18 for rifle & Shotgun ammunition :O, and 21 for handgun ammo.
I tell her that it must be a mistake and tell her i wish to speak with the manager to solve this misunderstanding. I wait, and wait when finally instead of 1 asistant manager i see three walking towards me i was like wth? 4 people just staring at me hhaha talk about overreaction i greet her kindly and tell her that all i wish to do is purchase some rifle ammuniions, which is legal, as i point to the sign that says so on the wall. she tells me she is sorry but she cannot override the system. I quickly realize that these are anti gun nuts and there is no point in wasting my time there, they just listen to what the machine says not the law! I dont understand why they have that policy, or if they were just making things up to not sell it to me? by the way im Mexican American. So what did i do wrong is what im trying to figure out? Can anyone enlighten me?
Don't shop at Walmart. Support your local Ma and Pa business if possible.
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Reminds me of when my brother turned 16 and went to Big 5 Sporting Goods to buy a pellet gun. They wouldn't sell it to him. They said store policy was 18.
He argued that 16 is legal in this state. He also pointed out that when he turns 18 he'd be buying a firearm instead of an air rifle. Go figure.
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There may (or may not ) be a California state law at play here, but I'll let the Californians address that.
In Free America, Wal-Mart asks if the ammo is for a handgun or a rifle. If you reply that it's for a handgun, you must be 21 to purchase it under federal law. Yes, even if you also own a rifle in the same caliber, and could legally purchase that "rifle ammo" in the same caliber at 18.
make a complaint thru walmart's online system re this store's action; nebntuon that tyhe refusal to follow state law and wal mart policy might have been a result of racial bias
I heard of that from another state I was shopping. The fellow told me they consider 22lr ammo to be pistol or handgun also. I have no argument for their actions, just the stupid law.
15 years ago or so the same thing happened to me at a sporting goods store here in Oklahoma. Bricks of 22 were cheep so I went to buy some and I couldn't since they could be used in handguns as well. Stupid policies.
When I was 18-20 I tried using the excuse on .357 that it was for a lever action rifle one time and it worked, though it didn't work most of the time. I've never had issue with the .22 though. Even now I say it's for rifle regardless because I'm less likely to get carded.
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I seriously doubt race has anything to do with this since you didn't indicate that it did other then stating that you are 'mexican-american'. Please don't throw that around unless you really feel they did discriminate. Don't go for the 'easy' way to get them to sell...go for the 'right' way..the fact that it is legal for you to buy the ammo.
Regarding the California law: not positive but they shouldn't have the sign posted saying it IS legal if a state law changes that fact. I did live there, but I was only 17 so couldn't even buy rifle rounds!
They were full of doo-doo.
Here's CA law which mirrors Federal law:
.22LR.... R=Rifle!12316. (a) (1) Any person, corporation, or dealer who does any of
the following shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for
a term not to exceed six months, or by a fine not to exceed one
thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the imprisonment and fine:
(A) Sells any ammunition or reloaded ammunition to a person under
18 years of age.
(B) Sells any ammunition or reloaded ammunition designed and
intended for use in a handgun to a person under 21 years of age. As
used in this subparagraph, "ammunition" means handgun ammunition as
defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12323. Where ammunition or
reloaded ammunition may be used in both a rifle and a handgun, it may
be sold to a person who is at least 18 years of age, but less than
21 years of age, if the vendor reasonably believes that the
ammunition is being acquired for use in a rifle and not a handgun.
12323. As used in this chapter, the following definitions shall
(a) "Handgun ammunition" means ammunition principally for use in
pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed
upon the person, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12001,
notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles.
some places refuse to sell .22LR to under 21,meijers here wont sell .22 to me(they are like a regional version of Walmart)
depending on the employee(ive since quit going here for this and other reasons,including the no open carry by customers rule)the gun shop where i bought my .22 rifle from wont even sell to under 21 for .22LR
not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.
Bought some 20 ga shells a few months ago and she asked if it was for a handgun. I just stood there and said 'huh?'
All my normal suggestions probably don't apply in CA, but here goes anyway. Buy it online! Buy it in a different state and get enough to last 3 years.
I was in MD last summer, and while in a WalMart in Columbia MD, I noticed that they had CCI 22LR ammo on sale. So I bought a case of 5 boxes. The kid at the counter asked if it was for a rifle or a pistol, and I told him, "it's called 22 LR--that stands for Long Rifle. What do you think it's for?"...
He didn't ask for my ID, and just rang it up. But then again, I'm 45...
However, in MD, ALL handgun ammo purchases require ID and signing a form with the type and caliber of ammo purchased, regardless of the age of the purchaser.
How's that "gun control" thing working out for ya, Maryland?
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Your Right it was just a issue of illogical store policies . I was just annoyed that I had a sign right in front of me saying i had to be 18 to buy rifle ammunition :/, Thanks!
I'm 20 and they have never stopped me from purchasing any kind of ammunition. The trick is to give them your CCW permit. They have never in all my times purchasing ammunition figured out where my date of birth is... :-)
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Probably will never happen!
This would be fall into the class III catagory since the bore would be over .50 caliber. There is a controversy over the new Judge that was chambered for 28 gauge.
You might have inadvertently said something wrong. I had a couple kids come into my store one day, one was a Marine buying handgun ammo for his friend. He told me he was doing so, and therefore I had to require ID for the second person, they told me he was under 21 and that's why the older friend had to buy the ammo. I had to deny the purchase.
I really felt bad, because I was being very friendly with them and basically unintentionally lead them into telling me that.
I hate these ridiculous laws.
Just because they let a cash register do their thinking for them doesn't mean they're gun nuts. It means they're not able to rationally think for themselves. Admittedly, that's a quality that's shared with a lot of gun nuts, but that's beside the point.I quickly realize that these are anti gun nuts and there is no point in wasting my time there, they just listen to what the machine says not the law!
Who does biz with Commie Mart anyway? I DONT. F Mart in my book.
This is what I call the Lawyer Syndrome. Some control freak corporate Manager says to their F lawyer "tell us what to do to be absolved of any liability."
Y'see, several years ago, 'the Ambulance Chaser profession (lawyers) werent making enough money prosecuting product liability cases, so the whole works got shifted to "personal injury" and the awards went crazy', a lawyer told me.
When awards are multi million, corporations get nervous.
Of course, the lawyer is paid to tell the company whatever they want to hear, stupid, ridiculous, illegal, immoral or not. Theyre a big corp in bed with Givernment, so what?
So, they make stupid "rules" like this, and yes, they can do that, its their company/store (commies as they are...) and theres no law to the positive (that they have to sell it to one over 18/21, just to the negative of a prohibition to sales to minors.
NEVER MIND the Constitution doesnt exclude "minors" as "people" or "Citizens" but thats another Goverment contrived attack on our Rights.
So they hide behind their rules and its more convenient to hire stupid people to stand on the front line to "enforce them" because they get a thrill down their leg from someone giving them authority to "enforce" something against someone else (and theyre cheap to hire)
Never mind their "rule" is contrary to law, but some paranoid Manager feels like hes safe...
Target, last night, had a sign on their photo copy machine that no one could copy a picture that wasnt more than 75 years old. This is Bravo Sierra, because:
1.) last I READ US copyright law, Copyright protection had been extended to 70 YEARS, not 75
2.) who do they think they are to determine who the Copyright owner is? Thats determined by the owner a/o Copyright Office, not some arrogant moron at Target.
3.) You copying a copyrighted work on their machine does not expose them to any liability, they arent doing the copying. "Allowing someone to use a copy machine" does not constitute Copyright infringement.
But, people feel important (I think the PC term is "empowered") to play stupid little power games with others.
I play them back by telling them what they can do with their product/service, that I either dont need it/them and can buy elsewhere.
Last edited by Capn Camo; 04-07-2011 at 10:55 AM.
Does the LAW specify that he cant do that? (LAW not opinion?)
The pertinent quesion is "who is buying it"?
This is like the "straw purchase" crap the Feds play. Whats the diff between me making a straw purchase for a felon, or my buying it, going to his house afterwards and reselling it to him?
NONE, except some idiot in Gubmint feels important because they made a rule and hoops for someone to jump through