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    Would my permit be recognized?

    I am coming down to Indy to visit my friend and I am coming from Michigan. I do not have a Michigan CPL, however, if you buy a pistol in Michigan you get a permit to transport, purchase, and carry a pistol. This is Michigan making us register them but under state law it does allow me to carry it just not concealed (so open carry). Would this allow me to being the gun to Indiana and at least keep it with me at my friends? What about concealed carry would it allow me to carry concealed or even open? Thanks
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    Short answer, No. Your purchase permit is only valid in Michigan. To carry either CC or OC in Indiana, you will have to have a valid CPL from Michigan.

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    Well the thing is the law says all licenses from other states are valid in Indiana and tech I do have a license as does every lawful handgun owner.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Might wanta call the ISp and see. Get persons name & badge number if you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    Well the thing is the law says all licenses from other states are valid in Indiana and tech I do have a license as does every lawful handgun owner.
    Only a CCW applies. You don't have a license to carry a firearm, merely a permit to buy one in MI. Reciprocity deals only with CCWs. MI should get rid of this BS permit to buy. In an otherwise gun friendly state, it is moronic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    Only a CCW applies. You don't have a license to carry a firearm, merely a permit to buy one in MI. Reciprocity deals only with CCWs. MI should get rid of this BS permit to buy. In an otherwise gun friendly state, it is moronic.
    I agree with you on that! The only good thing that comes from it is being able to be within 1000 feet of a school and not breaking fed law. I now have a now resident concealed permit from Maine which I know will let me concealed carry but can I open carry?
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    A good place to look, or at least start looking, for information like this is http://www.handgunlaw.us/

    Here's the PDF about IN. I don't see that it mentions OC.
    It does say that without a cc permit, you must have a firearm unloaded & encased in a vehicle.

    If you follow the link to the state FAQ in the upper right of the first page, you get to this PDF.
    Again, I don't see that it mentions OC other than to say that you are not required to conceal if you have a permit. Nothing about whether a permit is required to OC.
    On pg. 4 they talk about the IL FOID card, which is essentially what your MI purchase/possession permit is.
    They say that since the FOID is a permit to purchase, not to carry, it can't be used as a permit to carry in IN.

    They will honor your Maine permit, so you should be OK open or concealed.


    As a side note, look at the bottom of pg 10, where it talks about implied consent to a search at the airport... It says if you purchase a ticket, you automatically consent to allowing a search of yourself &/or your belongings by the company selling the ticket.
    So if I fly out of IN, only the airline may search me or my bags, not the TSA.
    I'd LOVE to see a challenge to the TSA under that law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    I agree with you on that! The only good thing that comes from it is being able to be within 1000 feet of a school and not breaking fed law. I now have a now resident concealed permit from Maine which I know will let me concealed carry but can I open carry?
    Indiana is a little weird with Non-Resident carry.

    Our law says that it will recognize your permit under the terms in which it was issued. Now, some say, that that means while in Indiana, you have to follow the law of wherever your permit is issued from. For instance, if you can't carry in a bar in Maine on that permit, then you can't do it while visiting Indiana, even though it's perfectly legal to do so w/ an Indiana License To Carry.

    Personally, I think that's ridiculous. However, there probably are some things you need to pay attention to. For instance, even though here, we don't have "authorized firearms" on our LTC's, if your Maine permit does, then you would only want to carry/transport loaded those weapons while here. To be safe, if there are any restrictions that are printed on your actual permit, I would follow those while here, even if Indiana law says its ok for an Indiana License holder.

    A quick Google Image search of Maine permits, they clearly say they are concealed weapon permits.... So I would not push the Open Carry issue while here in Indiana.

    Use common sense, we've got super easy gun laws to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken8521 View Post
    Indiana is a little weird with Non-Resident carry.

    Our law says that it will recognize your permit under the terms in which it was issued. Now, some say, that that means while in Indiana, you have to follow the law of wherever your permit is issued from. For instance, if you can't carry in a bar in Maine on that permit, then you can't do it while visiting Indiana, even though it's perfectly legal to do so w/ an Indiana License To Carry.

    Personally, I think that's ridiculous. However, there probably are some things you need to pay attention to. For instance, even though here, we don't have "authorized firearms" on our LTC's, if your Maine permit does, then you would only want to carry/transport loaded those weapons while here. To be safe, if there are any restrictions that are printed on your actual permit, I would follow those while here, even if Indiana law says its ok for an Indiana License holder.

    A quick Google Image search of Maine permits, they clearly say they are concealed weapon permits.... So I would not push the Open Carry issue while here in Indiana.

    Use common sense, we've got super easy gun laws to follow.
    Yeah that's one reason why I asked. I knew Indiana had that you must follow what your permit says but many ppl from Michigan will open carry with their Michigan CPL. Once I brought up I didn't think it was legal but they all think they're good and I'm not saying they're not I'm just afraid that it would be illegal. I've heard mixed as far as whether its illegal or not to do that from this and other forums. The Maine permit does not have any places listed on it that are off limits so I'm good there.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    Only a CCW applies. You don't have a license to carry a firearm, merely a permit to buy one in MI. Reciprocity deals only with CCWs. MI should get rid of this BS permit to buy. In an otherwise gun friendly state, it is moronic.
    Yes he does. Technically the purchase permit is much more than that.

    28.422 License to purchase, carry, possess, or transport pistol; issuance; qualifications; applications; sale of pistol; exemptions; nonresidents; basic pistol safety brochure; forging application; implementation during business hours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    Yes he does. Technically the purchase permit is much more than that.

    28.422 License to purchase, carry, possess, or transport pistol; issuance; qualifications; applications; sale of pistol; exemptions; nonresidents; basic pistol safety brochure; forging application; implementation during business hours
    That's the point I made the only problem is on it it says permit to purchase, it says nothing about carry which is where the Indiana law saying that you must go by the conditions on the permit comes in.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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