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    VA AG affirms legality of carrying for self defense in church

    http://hamptonroads.com/2011/04/cucc...e-legal-church



    Responding to a request from Del. Mark Cole, R-Spotsylvania County for an interpretation of that law, Cuccinelli wrote that "carrying a weapon for personal protection constitutes a good and sufficient reason under the statute to carry a weapon into a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held there."
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    This is good to know, even though I would not / do not attend any churches. Another place where our rights are not infringed upon.
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    I am still lost on church/school gun bans, does sunday school count as a "school" and thus no guns allowed in church/grounds? I know churches that meet at high schools, that is a SCHOOL. But does a church that runs no school programs, no Preschool/K/1~6 grade... Just on sunday morning they have childerns sunday school ages 1~18 years old, does that COUNT as a school?
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    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    I am still lost on church/school gun bans, does sunday school count as a "school" and thus no guns allowed in church/grounds? I know churches that meet at high schools, that is a SCHOOL. But does a church that runs no school programs, no Preschool/K/1~6 grade... Just on sunday morning they have childerns sunday school ages 1~18 years old, does that COUNT as a school?
    The school ban is on grades K-12 only. Preschool is NOT considered a "school" unless it is accredited by the Va, Dept. of Education as a Kindergarten. You can tell without looking for paperwork just by asking if the care providers have/maintain a valid teaching certificate, or get paid more than near-minimum wages, or have daily planning periods where they are not responsible for watching/teaching the kids, or ... well, you get the idea.

    Same for Sunday School - in order to qualify for the school ban the facility needs to provide 180 days worth of instruction at approx. 5.5 hours per "day" and cover all of the material in the SOL (Standards of Learning). So unless your Sunday School is covering Algebra 1, English & American Lit, and PE for the older teens I doubt it is a "school" within the meaning of the school ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    The school ban is on grades K-12 only. Preschool is NOT considered a "school" unless it is accredited by the Va, Dept. of Education as a Kindergarten. You can tell without looking for paperwork just by asking if the care providers have/maintain a valid teaching certificate, or get paid more than near-minimum wages, or have daily planning periods where they are not responsible for watching/teaching the kids, or ... well, you get the idea.

    Same for Sunday School - in order to qualify for the school ban the facility needs to provide 180 days worth of instruction at approx. 5.5 hours per "day" and cover all of the material in the SOL (Standards of Learning). So unless your Sunday School is covering Algebra 1, English & American Lit, and PE for the older teens I doubt it is a "school" within the meaning of the school ban.

    stay safe.
    That is the answers I was looking for!

    Thanks for your input
    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 04-11-2011 at 10:17 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    To be redundant, any "school" like barber, nurse, beauty, mechanic, college, university, etc. is not a "school" as defined in the Code. Only K-12.
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    However, the example you give of a church meeting in a high school DOES count as "being on school property". The GFSZ laws do not stipulate whether or not the school is in session, or during what hours or days the ban is in effect--it's ALWAYS in effect on property and in buildings that are used as a K-12 school...
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