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    Question posted conspicuously?

    So I was in the waffle house in Hillsborogh (yeah I get around) paying for the meal I just ate when the customer behind me ask what I'm carrying. I looked back and told him, and a small conversation about gun rights insuded (A real friendly guy)
    The manager walked over and asked me what he meant by "carrying". I twisted my hip around to show him my holstered hand-gun. He quickly changed his attitude to you have to leave that is not allowed in the store.
    I apologized and told him I did not see a sign on the door and I did not know. The manager walks to the corner of the store and point to a small sign about 3x3 or 4x4 inches (not even near the door) and says yes it is posted.
    I pointed out that If the sign was in the store how was I suppose to know until I got in the store and happened to walk by his business card sized sign.
    He said it was also on the out side of the store. We walk out side and he goes all the way to the ass end of the store near the dumpster about as far away from the door as you can get and still be on the same side of the building and shows me a sign.

    At this point I told him that I was sorry again, HOWEVER he might want to look at NC law which requires a sign banning handguns on the premises to be posted conspicuously and that neither one were. I informed him I was leaving and would be in touch with Waffle house corporate offices.

    Now The question is: If a business has a gun busters sign that is clearly not visible or "posted conspicuously" is it legal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sc0tt View Post
    ....Now The question is: If a business has a gun busters sign that is clearly not visible or "posted conspicuously" is it legal?
    Don't know about over there, but similar statutes here and they simply haven't been tested in court. We've not had anyone charged with "carrying past a sign" yet, that we can find, whether it strictly abided by the current posting statute or not, or the one before it, which didn't even allow gun buster sign as binding.

    It's a misdemeanor here, and police have to witness a misdemeanor for the police to charge you. If you weren't still in the store if they were called, then the store manager would have to sign a complaint for you to be charged. I think this is pretty much universal misdemeanor procedure in the states, but couldn't say for sure.

    Btw, Waffle House -- various folks have posted about them through the years, and seems it is totally up to each location since they are run totally by franchise. Whether there is a corporate "recommendation" who knows, but seems some post, maybe most of them dunno. But it's clear that there's no standard FOR the postings which you would suspect would not be the case if it were required by the home office.

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    I think some businesses do this on purpose. It's almost like they don't want to offend anyone (carrier or not) by posting a gun buster sign in an obvious place. I think it's almost like placing your restaurant rating certificate on the ceiling so no one can see it. It's still technically visible, but people rarely look at the ceiling in a restaurant. I've noticed that restaurants in SC all have their rating as a sticker on the main entrance, so there must be a law there. Some states (I think even NC) have laws stating that the gun buster sign must be visible near each entrance. Most shopping malls are bad about only posting at one entrance, but no others. I've never been to a Waffle House here, but I should stop by the parking lot of one to see if it's posted.

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    This is the second time i've heard of a waffle house being posted. Leads me to think that waffle house is either slowly changing their stance on guns, or theres a few managers that are going rogue.

    Seems I might have to steal my gullet and get me some waffle house food this week, to make sure the one in g-ville isn't posted
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    Quote Originally Posted by elixin77 View Post
    This is the second time i've heard of a waffle house being posted. Leads me to think that waffle house is either slowly changing their stance on guns, or theres a few managers that are going rogue....
    Been posted over here for years. Maybe most all of them. Few if any statute complaint, though.
    Then again, I haven't been to one in several years, either, maybe they've swung the other way.

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    Ive been by three now:

    Hillsboroough:
    Has a sign on the exterior at the far right end of the building (at a distance it could even be mistaken for a parking sign) and a very small sign just inside the door to the left of the register above the kitchen area on the wall (about the size of a business card)

    Ranelman:
    Has the same sign on the outside far right of the building (also no where near the door, however nothing is posted inside or on the door)

    Asheboro:
    Has the same sign on the outside far right of the building (also no where near the door, however nothing is posted inside or on the door)

    [I have updated friend or foe]

    The sign on the outside appears to be a sign from the chain, its yellow has the waffle house logo and is the same at all locations. Its something generic about no loitering, skateboards or firearms. I will get a picture soon.



    Does anyone have a generic template that I can use to contact corporate about this?
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    Customer Call Line:
    1-877-9-WAFFLE

    Waffle House Inc.
    5986 Financial Drive
    Norcross, GA. 30071
    (770) 729-5700
    Our hours are Monday - Friday 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (EST)

    If you wish to be contacted by a Waffle House representative, please
    include your name, address, phone number and e-mail.
    From the waffle house site
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    I've been to at least 5-6 in NC and SC, and none of them have ever been posted that I saw. Of course, given this story, I suppose it's possible that they were posted and I just didn't see it. I'll have to keep an eye out in the future.
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    The one in Belmont, NC is posted with the little sign inside almost on the ceiling. I CC'd there several times before my partner pointed it out. Who's going to look up there for a sign. Never looked for one near the roof in the back so there might be one there too. I would think if anyone would support the 2 amendment WH would.
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    i havn't been to a waffle house in years. the one here really sucked.

    here is where it has been discussed before;
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...A-Wafflehouse&

    here is another "armed patrons deter robbers" ;
    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...bbery-kennesaw

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    As someone said before its been awhile since I've been but remember the sign inside very high almost touching the ceiling. At the time I CC so I just finished my meal and left. That was probably over a year ago.....

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    We should be mass-mailing this to Wafflehouse.

    "Link to story here"

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    LMAO That OC robbery prevention thread is pretty good. I like the ideas in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elixin77 View Post
    Seems I might have to steal my gullet and get me some waffle house food this week, to make sure the one in g-ville isn't posted
    Let me know when you do, and I might tag along if my schedule allows. I've been craving some hash browns with "the works"...

    The 2 WH's in Fayetteville near the Mall are both posted. They are both regular scenes of shoot-outs among the local thug-life.

    Wonder why?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    The 2 WH's in Fayetteville near the Mall are both posted. They are both regular scenes of shoot-outs among the local thug-life.

    Wonder why?...
    maybe they dont have it posted conspicuously and low life cant see the no guns sign
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Let me know when you do, and I might tag along if my schedule allows. I've been craving some hash browns with "the works"...

    The 2 WH's in Fayetteville near the Mall are both posted. They are both regular scenes of shoot-outs among the local thug-life.

    Wonder why?...
    I must be missing a lot. I have lived near these two places for the last 40+ years and don't remember any shoot outs. Just the one at Luiji's down the street a little bit.

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    The "posted conspicuously" law is not really enforced in NC, and is apparently open to VERY loose interpretation...

    The Mall in Greenville has a big gray poster (about 20"x30") in the windows of all their entrances listing their "code of conduct". Way down at the bottom of the list, in tiny type (about 12 pt) is a sentence that says "no weapons of any kind allowed on Mall Property" or some such wording.

    I'm a profesionall graphic designer. In my experience, and under my understanding of the word "conspicuous", the firearms clause on the posters at the Greenville Mall are the exact opposite of "conspicuous".

    But that doesn't stop them for messing with you if you try to carry there...

    BTW, the Greenville Mall is owned by a British Real Estate Management conglomerate. I guess that should not surprise anyone considering their firearms policy.

    The only people who carry in the Greenville Mall are thugs and gangbangers--and that is JUST the way they want it to be, based on their corporate policy...

    Needless to say, I have never spent a single dollar at that Mall, and avoid it like the plague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketdad View Post
    I must be missing a lot. I have lived near these two places for the last 40+ years and don't remember any shoot outs. Just the one at Luiji's down the street a little bit.

    When I lived in Fayetteville (from 2006-2008) I worked at the Sears in the Mall. Shootings at one of those two WHs were a near-weekly occurrence. The WH on the west side of Skibo had its windows shot out one night by some thug who walked in, saw a rival sitting in a booth, and opened fire (didn't hit any people, but broke a LOT of glass). That was in 2007, I think...

    I drove by those WH's several nights a week on my way home from work. I worked the late shift, and was often leaving the store after 11pm on weekend nights, and there were ALWAYS police cars in the lots of both those WHs, and every week, I would see someone getting "proned" in the parking lots. The WHs in Fayette-nam used to be a have for thuglife, especially on weekend nights.

    But they were usually pretty cool during the day. So unless you frequent Fayetteville WHs late at night (between 10pm and 3am) you might not be aware of how they are.

    It's like when the clubs start to close, the WHs become Thug Magnets...

    They may be different now though--I don't know. I havent lived in Fayette-ghanistan in about 3 years...
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    anyone thats interested, lets get lunch at the WH on Greenville Blvd. at 1300, on Apr 13
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    To short a notice to far away for me. But keep me posted on how it goes, id love to hear
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    I stopped by the parking lot of Waffle House on Greenville Blvd tonight and didn't see any postings. There was a sign on the door, but it wasn't firearms related. I won't be able to make lunch tomorrow, but let me know how it goes.

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    Im going to stop by the one in randelman tonight and get 2 pictures one of the sign and one of its location on the building.
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    I had breakfast at the newer WH in Spring Lake today- the one opposite to the entrance road to Walmart. I searched every where on the entire building and couldn't find a sign. That's not to say that there isn't one, just that I couldn't find it.

    The "posted conspicuously" thing supposedly means to have a sign posted where anyone can reasonably see it upon entering th building. If it's not posted in that manner, I wouldn't worry about it. I'd say anyone would have a great defense against it. But, once the intention is voiced by an employee of a business to have you remove the gun from the business, you don't have much of an argument afterward.

    You can raise the fact that their sign isn't posted reasonably, but that won't help much once you've been told by them to remove the gun.

    Sucks, yeah.

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    I have carried at two WH in Jacksonville. No issues.

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    Last time I ate at one, and it's been years, I walked on in sat down and ordered before I saw the sign somewhere above the cooking area on the wall. Nothing on the entrance.

    Politely cancelled my order and told them why before beating feet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorhead View Post
    The "posted conspicuously" thing supposedly means to have a sign posted where anyone can reasonably see it upon entering th building. If it's not posted in that manner, I wouldn't worry about it. I'd say anyone would have a great defense against it. But, once the intention is voiced by an employee of a business to have you remove the gun from the business, you don't have much of an argument afterward.
    Obviously anytime you are on private property you can be asked to disarm or leave, however my thing was the manager was quite upset that I carried into his store despite the "postings" which were in no way conspicuous. It was like I was expected to know.
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