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    Next Vote on Open Carry Bills "The bad Senators to The Good Senators"

    This is the list of Senators that should be Voting on the next bill if i'm not mistaken.
    I don't know about you all but this makes me feel better. The Vote should be 8 to 4 in favor.

    The (F) Grade Group "Garbage"

    Senator Bullard
    2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Bullard a grade of D (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Bullard a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    1998 Senator Bullard supported the interests of the Florida Gun Owners of America 38 percent in 1998.

    1998 In 1998, based on a combination of past voting records, statement letters from candidates, and results of a candidate questionnaire, Unified Sportsmen of Florida identified the position of Senator Bullard to be 0.
    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    Senator Margolis
    2010 In 2010 the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund gave Senator Margolis a grade of F.
    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    Senator Siplin:
    2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Siplin a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Siplin a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).
    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    Senator Christopher L. "Chris" Smith
    2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Smith a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Smith a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    2000 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2000, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Smith a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    1998 In 1998, based on a combination of past voting records, statement letters from candidates, and results of a candidate questionnaire, Unified Sportsmen of Florida identified the position of Senator Smith to be 0.
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    The (A) Grade Group

    Stephen R. Wise
    2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Wise a grade of A+ (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Wise a grade of A+ (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    1998 In 1998, based on a combination of past voting records, statement letters from candidates, and results of a candidate questionnaire, Unified Sportsmen of Florida identified the position of Senator Wise to be 0.
    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    Senator Joe African Americann
    2010 In 2010 the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund gave Senator African Americann a grade of A+.

    2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator African Americann a grade of A+ (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator African Americann a grade of A (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).
    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    Senator Don Gaetz
    2010 In 2010 the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund gave Senator Gaetz a grade of A.
    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    Senator Anitere Flores
    2010 In 2010 the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund gave Senator Flores a grade of A+
    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    Senator JD Alexander
    2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Alexander a grade of A+ (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Alexander a grade of A (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    2000 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2000, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Alexander a grade of A+ (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    1998 In 1998, based on a combination of past voting records, statement letters from candidates, and results of a candidate questionnaire, Unified Sportsmen of Florida identified the position of Senator Alexander to be 0.
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    Senator John Thrasher
    2010 In 2010 the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund gave Senator Thrasher a grade of A+.

    1998 In 1998, based on a combination of past voting records, statement letters from candidates, and results of a candidate questionnaire, Unified Sportsmen of Florida identified the position of Senator Thrasher to be 0.
    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    Sen. Gardiner:
    2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Gardiner a grade of A (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Gardiner a grade of A (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).
    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    Sen. Jones:
    2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Jones a grade of A (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    2002 Senator Jones supported the interests of the Florida Gun Owners of America 87 percent in 2002.

    2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Jones a grade of A- (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

    1998 In 1998, based on a combination of past voting records, statement letters from candidates, and results of a candidate questionnaire, Unified Sportsmen of Florida identified the position of Senator Jones to be 0.
    __________________________________________________ _____________________

    Senator Garrett Richter:
    I have nothing on this Guy But I believe it is a YEA
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    You never can tell with the NRA's grades. They gave Harry Reid an A. They gave Thrasher an A. Although Thrasher did vote for OC.

    I don't think it will be a problem. Just be on the look out for crap amendments.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick H View Post
    Senator Garrett Richter
    He voted Yes yesterday, and I think he wasn't even one of the "we need to work on this, but yes" guys, just a plain ol' "Yea" guy.
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    I collected all of that in a previous thread.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...=1#post1507411

    The people on the Rules committee and their emails, and how they voted if they were sitting on a previous committee:

    Quote Originally Posted by Already voted in a previous committee
    Senator John Thrasher (R) - YES - thrasher.john.web@flsenate.gov
    Senator Anitere Flores (R) - YES - flores.anitere.web@flsenate.gov
    Senator Don Gaetz (R) - YES - gaetz.don.web@flsenate.gov
    Senator Garrett Richter (R) - YES - richter.garrett.web@flsenate.gov

    Senator Gwen Margolis (D) - NO - margolis.gwen.web@flsenate.gov
    Senator Christopher L. "Chris" Smith (D) - NO - smith.chris.web@flsenate.gov
    Quote Originally Posted by Have not voted on it yet
    Senator JD Alexander (R) - alexander.jd.web@flsenate.gov
    Senator Andy Gardiner (R) - gardiner.andy.web@flsenate.gov
    Senator Dennis L. Jones, D.C. (R) - jones.dennis.web@flsenate.gov
    Senator Joe African Americann (R) - African Americann.joe.web@flsenate.gov
    Senator Stephen R. Wise (R) - wise.stephen.web@flsenate.gov
    Senator Gary Siplin (D) - Probably a NO - siplin.gary.web@flsenate.gov
    Senator Larcenia J. Bullard (D) - Probably a NO - bullard.larcenia.web@flsenate.gov
    We need 7. Presuming the 4 who already put a yes on it still vote yes this time, we only need 3 more to go yes. I think this is probable. We have 5 who might, and we only need 3 of them.

    I am not a fan of form letters. I like each message they receive to be from a different person, and with their own points/views. I'm not discouraging form letters, they work for lazy people who might otherwise not send a message. ;-)

    So:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tell these 'thank you' for their 'yea' votes, and that you look forward to their continued support.
    Quote Originally Posted by If you want to take the time, make your sound arguments. Then, tell them how much you hate them for voting against Citizens, and that you hope they get hit by a bus.
    Quote Originally Posted by These are possible 'yea' voters, but no guarantees. Email them making your best, civilized arguments (i.e. not to involve getting hit by a bus).
    Quote Originally Posted by These are probable 'no' votes. Still worth the time to write to them and make your sound arguments. If they vote as expected, against Citizens, tell them that you hope they get hit by a bus after they lodge said vote.
    One of the major points I like to make, which has been entirely missed in every debate thus far, is that OC is about fixing a major defect in CC. The fact that CC doesn't prevent, and forced CCers to wait until it is already too late. I've been down this road personally. I'm not going to argue with the CCers who have been lucky enough not to learn it the hard way. It isn't an argument. "Out of Sight, Out of Mind." CCers look like soft targets and they get attacked! They then draw, point, and (sometimes) fire their guns! OC is about making sure it doesn't come to that. Most of the time, a CCer draws the gun, and the altercation ends. Mere sight of the gun deters the bad guy. Hence, why OC makes sense. A visible gun in a holster is WAY better than a visible gun in hand with a finger on the trigger. And as such, the altercation never takes place to begin with. Looking at other states, we cannot measure events that never happen. However, the fact that said events never happen, speaks volumes.

    Some people are still afraid of Blacks. Some people are afraid of Cars. Some people are afraid of Spiders. Being afraid of Basic Human Rights is not a valid excuse to exterminate them. Fire burns and water drowns, yet these are not forbidden. A Human Being with a Brain uses Tools to improve themselves and their position. Guns are nothing more than tools. Visible, they are far more effective in promoting peace, than hidden. If some soft-headed panty-wetter wants to be afraid, then let that mental defective be afraid. Being handicapped in favor of their ignorant and hateful comfort-zone is not acceptable.

    Ambiguous wording, which leaves decisions to the LEOs, has never turned out well. They always find the most restrictive way to 'interpret' the words. This leads to Case Law, and some poor citizen being even more poor.

    OC does not make a LEO's job more dangerous or more difficult. Feigning response calls to MWAG reports is nothing more than the LEOs demonstrating their desire to waste their own time. If it isn't a crime (and it's not), why are they responding? This game has been played in other states. Eventually, the LEOs give in and stop wasting time sending cops to 'investigate' non-criminal behaviors. "OMG, that lady over there is eating a hotdog!" - It's not a crime, why are the Cops showing up? They aren't supposed to be doing it anyway. It is about intimidation and false-flagging a citizen. This argument from the LEOs is the oldest trick in the book. Your baby Brother or baby Sister pulled it on you when you were young. Scream "ouch" when mommy isn't looking, even though you didn't do anything wrong. Grow up LEOs.

    Gun-haters talk about 'fear' as a way to imply there were something to be afraid of when there isn't.

    If Gang Members are being issued Concealed Weapons Permits; maybe they aren't really Gang Members? Pictures of how scary they look? Really? If they had a record, they wouldn't have the permit! The LEOs have resorted to Fashion Policing as an excuse to restrict Basic Human Rights. The more of this they pull, the more they debase their own position. Who can take anything they say seriously now?

    Florida was the first to create the Concealed Weapon Permit system. Why are we among the last to remove it's fatal and dangerous flaws?
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