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    Open Carry votes for Senate Floor

    Assuming all Demonrats vote no

    Republican "No" :

    Bogdanoff
    Dean
    Jones
    Alexander

    We still have a cushion of 4 No's.

    It goes without saying that the above names need their email and phone lines lit up.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    How long do we have to wait for this to happen?

    We want the Senate to go first, so any 'change it for the sake of changing it' crap can be matched in the house.

    I'm sure our fearless leaders are developing a form letter that covers all the important points as we speak.

    As the Retail Federation has just attempted to lobby for a Right they already have strictly as a point of propaganda and derailment, that issue needs to be hammered hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Assuming all Demonrats vote no

    Republican "No" :

    Bogdanoff
    Dean
    Jones
    Alexander
    Saw Alexander, didn't catch Jones, what was his deal today, and I hear the vote was 8-4, so who was missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~*'Phoenix'*~ View Post
    Saw Alexander, didn't catch Jones, what was his deal today, and I hear the vote was 8-4, so who was missing?
    I could have sworn I hear Jones say no.

    No?
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/234

    Vote history not yet documented...
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    Also consider that the Senate Floor is the most likely place for a strike-all amendment that completely destroys the bill.
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    Yep,

    I'm looking at the list of Senators. If we can find out if one or two demonrats will vote yes, then we don't have to worry. Can't find one yet.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Liberal/Neocon coalition, didn't I say that? :-p

    It may well still pass, but by a narrower margin than we expected. There is a real chance it won't pass now.
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    Steve Oelrich-Republican

    Former Alachua Conty Sheriff

    Add em to the list. This is too close for comfort now.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    If he votes anything other than No, I'll crap my pants.
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    We're up to 5 Republican no's.

    People in JD Alexander's district really should call and moan. I called and said I was from Glades County. Told them I was disappointed. (He voted yes, but said he'd oppose on the floor).
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    ??????? Republicans

    Benaquisto
    Bennett
    Detert
    Diaz de la Portilla
    Fasano
    Oelrich (former Alachua sheriff, I say no"
    Latvala
    Storms
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    The republicans I listed are the ones we don't know about.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    The republicans I listed are the ones we don't know about.
    So Wise, Harridopolis, Gaetz, and Gardiner are known to be with us?

    Are we calling Thrasher a Yea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    So Wise, Harridopolis, Gaetz, and Gardiner are known to be with us?

    Are we calling Thrasher a Yea?
    Not Gaetz...he's iffy, at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvrctyrngr View Post
    Not Gaetz...he's iffy, at best.
    I'm gonna call Gaetz on our side, he's the one that wrote the amendment to get the retail association off our backs. Too eager to compromise perhaps, but still in favor of getting OC passed, and helping to get a major opponant group off the battlefield may very well keep 1 or 2 other fence-sitters on our side, knowing they don't have to go up against FSA and the retailers.
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    I can't believe I just acknowledged that the retail slavers actually have a say in the senate proceedings

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    I still show 6 unknowns. Can anyone vouch for any of them either way?
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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    Storms looks like a rowdy conservative and likes ******* off liberals and moderates in general. probably a good thing for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvrctyrngr View Post
    Not Gaetz...he's iffy, at best.
    Why do you say that if he wrote that last non amendment to appease the retailers?
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    So Wise, Harridopolis, Gaetz, and Gardiner are known to be with us?

    Are we calling Thrasher a Yea?
    I'd say Thrasher is a yes. He has done much damage to himself already because of school carry. He'll never open carry, but he knows that the leo's are full of crap.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    I'm going to move Storms to the Yea list.
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    This is the only thing I can find about any of the rest:
    Bennett supports local school district control over school gun policy.
    What does that even mean?

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    I'd be looking at big money affiliations. Neocons whos loyalty lies with big business slavers. These are our major opponents.
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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    Bennett is president pro tempore. Probably loathe to go against the majority of Republicans, which majority will vote yes. Evers or someone on his staff, or Hammer, or Stogie, or Rich probably know best what the situation on the Floor is.
    Last edited by 77zach; 04-15-2011 at 06:41 PM.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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