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    SB234: The Final Countdown

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    Benaquisto introduced a nullification bill. That's pretty cool. Probably yes. I'd say thrasher is yes.

    just don't know anything about the other ones. I guess we have to assume Oelrich is no since he was a sheriff.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Win or lose this is going to be close.

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    exactly how many of the dems are confirmed opposed, and how many are educated guesses by party afiliation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Benaquisto introduced a nullification bill. That's pretty cool. Probably yes. I'd say thrasher is yes.

    just don't know anything about the other ones. I guess we have to assume Oelrich is no since he was a sheriff.
    benaquisto would make it even, so we'd need 4 of the remaining 6? (or 3 since the tie-breaker pres. is in favor?)

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    OP updated. I'm showing 6 unknowns.

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    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~*'Phoenix'*~ View Post
    exactly how many of the dems are confirmed opposed, and how many are educated guesses by party afiliation?
    Party affiliation. It's pretty much a given. None of the Senate Democrats are even close to moderate, they're all extreme Statists.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    There is a slim chance that, due to the Retail Federation apparently being appeased by this amendment that gives them what they already had, Bogdanoff might vote on our side. Slim, but possible.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~*'Phoenix'*~ View Post
    benaquisto would make it even, so we'd need 4 of the remaining 6? (or 3 since the tie-breaker pres. is in favor?)
    We need at least 3, more is better.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    The Next Sceduled Senate Sessions (Apr 27,28,29) 10:OO A.M. - 5:30 P.M. all three days

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    Post all updates/suggestions. I'll do my best to stay on top of it by updating the OP.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    If everyone votes and just one democrat votes yea, I think it's a done deal.

    Here are democrats who have voted "yea" on SB 432 and/or SB 402 but have not yet been in a position to vote on open carry.

    http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/s32
    http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/s6
    http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/s1

    Email and call. It's a long shot but can't hurt anything.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    If everyone votes and just one democrat votes yea, I think it's a done deal.

    Here are democrats who have voted "yea" on SB 432 and/or SB 402 but have not yet been in a position to vote on open carry.

    http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/s32
    http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/s6
    http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/s1

    Email and call. It's a long shot but can't hurt anything.
    Good plan
    ring.jeremy.web@flsenate.gov ; hill.tony.web@flsenate.gov ; montford.bill.web@flsenate.gov
    Here are their emails in 'easy' form.

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    I think we have 2-3 from the unknown R side

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Email and call. It's a long shot but can't hurt anything.
    Done

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    Sent a nice, direct email to all senators.
    Last edited by oogotbagsoo; 04-16-2011 at 09:54 AM.

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    I made some minor updates to the OP, but this is mostly just a bump.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    Sent one to one of the unknowns, Mr. Diaz De La Portilla, for whom I have campaigned in the past, and whose district I used to live in. Hoping this works, folks; this vote is so much closer than I would've ever thought. It's time for prayer.

    When is this coming up for a vote on the senate, folks?

    J. Rodriguez, Esq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojo712 View Post
    Sent one to one of the unknowns, Mr. Diaz De La Portilla, for whom I have campaigned in the past, and whose district I used to live in. Hoping this works, folks; this vote is so much closer than I would've ever thought. It's time for prayer.

    When is this coming up for a vote on the senate, folks?

    J. Rodriguez, Esq.
    The 27th, 8th, or 9th. From what you know do you think he'll say yes?
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Rvrctyrngr over at floridaconcealedcarry.com hit this staight up I think:
    "I'm acutally surprised PBC, Broward and Miami-Dade haven't been involved in the lobbying efforts. Maybe they feel secure in the way their particular senators are going to vote."

    Broward's Sen. is Boggie. Sheriff Lamberti wasn't there, Boggie's already showed us how she's voting.
    Citrus county's Sen. is Dean. Sheriff Dawsy wasn't there, Dean already hates it because he's barely short of being an FSA lobbyist with a senate seat.
    I think this is the secret to seeing where the remaining "Not sure" senate votes lie:
    If their sheriff isn't there, they're already voting against it, if he is, they "need extra convincing"

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    So, can anyone whip up a list of all the sheriffs who've been lobbying against it, and which county's sheriffs have been tellingly absent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~*'Phoenix'*~ View Post
    Rvrctyrngr over at floridaconcealedcarry.com hit this staight up I think:
    "I'm acutally surprised PBC, Broward and Miami-Dade haven't been involved in the lobbying efforts. Maybe they feel secure in the way their particular senators are going to vote."
    I wrote an email to Mr. DelaPortilla a long time ago and he is getting a repeat since he is my senator for my district.

    Mike

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    The easiest way to find out what the situation is, is to call Evers office and ask. If they don't know then we can't know. No sense obsessing over it because that will just piss you off when it fails. What's going to suck really bad, is that if it does fail, it will be really close.


    This speaks to a wider issue. It's the people who put these creatures in office. I don't generally vote for this very reason. My choice was Dean or some other guy just as bad, so I chose not to take "the lesser of two evils." If you have someone worth voting for, then you should do it. I voted for my rep, Baxley, because I asked him if he supported constitutional carry and he said yes (he lost to Dean in the Republican primary for senate!) I'm not going to sit there and cross examine the guy on every issue, but what a candidate's position is on RKABA is a good litmus test for what he'll do in other areas as well. Even people who don't own guns or carry them should ask a candidate if they support unrestricted carry. If they say yes, chances are pretty good that they're going to be pro freedom in general.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    The 27th, 8th, or 9th. From what you know do you think he'll say yes?
    From what I know, without a doubt. He's a pragmatic guy from an established Miami political family, and he seems to have made sense more often than not through the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojo712 View Post
    From what I know, without a doubt. He's a pragmatic guy from an established Miami political family, and he seems to have made sense more often than not through the years.
    Yeah...but he was ******* me off on Friday dragging out conversation on his pet legislation that isn't even going to be voted on until next year!

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