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    NRA letter in Wisconsin State Journal

    Letter by Chris Cox, head of NRA's legislative action. Another sign that pressure for the legislature to do something is ramping up.

    http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/opi...cc4c002e0.html

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    Good article, I hope it happens soon.
    I know Doug was a pain in the a$$ but he sure did bring an interesting spice to the table.
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    I posted on that ,kinda fun gett'n under the libtards skin !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    Letter by Chris Cox, head of NRA's legislative action. Another sign that pressure for the legislature to do something is ramping up....
    But ramping up to do what? Here is part of what Cox had to say:
    It's really pretty simple. Law-abiding citizens apply for permits to carry firearms.
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    Here's what it is for context:

    It's really pretty simple. Law-abiding citizens apply for permits to carry firearms. Criminals carry guns regardless of any law, and they use those guns to commit violent crimes against law-abiding citizens. The more defenseless the citizen, the better for the criminal.


    I don't see the specific call for licensing here. Here is correct: Law-abiding citizens apply for permits to carry firearms. This is true, but does he call for licensing of carry? No he does not, at least not in a way. In fact that would be contrary to previous NRA-ILA postings which state that they are looking at VT/AK/AZ as the basis for a carry law in Wisconsin (constitution carry).

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    It's pretty simple, really

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Peterson View Post
    Here's what it is for context:

    It's really pretty simple. Law-abiding citizens apply for permits to carry firearms. Criminals carry guns regardless of any law, and they use those guns to commit violent crimes against law-abiding citizens. The more defenseless the citizen, the better for the criminal.


    I don't see the specific call for licensing here. Here is correct: Law-abiding citizens apply for permits to carry firearms. This is true, but does he call for licensing of carry? No he does not, at least not in a way. In fact that would be contrary to previous NRA-ILA postings which state that they are looking at VT/AK/AZ as the basis for a carry law in Wisconsin (constitution carry).
    It's pretty simple, really; he is stating his definition of "Law-abiding citizens". To paraphrase his statement to make it more understandable, "Law-abiding citizens are those who apply for permits to carry firearms." Spin it any way you want to, Gray, but he is signaling that permits are just fine with the NRA, and all those starving instructors out there should pursue a permit system. Just more fat-cat double-speak....
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    I agree with Dave. Anybody smarter than a fifth grader can read between the lines. To quote MCX "We don't need no stinkin' permits". Who died and made the NRA boss anyway?

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    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
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    Wisconsin is one of only two states in the nation that doesn't have a concealed carry law.
    Oh, we have one all right. It says we can't.

    I think his point would have been better stated thus:
    It's really pretty simple. Criminals carry guns regardless of any law...
    Then there'd be no confusion over his intent.
    Yes, I think the NRA is still pushing for permits. They think the only acceptable way to carry is concealed (they still list WI as a state where people can't carry).

    But I like this:
    115,000 violent crime victims and 10,000 rape victims later
    And the info on FL & TX, how few permit holders have gotten into trouble.
    Wish he'd gone on to compare rates/100K population of non-permitees and license holders.
    But there's probably a word limit on the article.
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    Folks:
    This is not a slam at the NRA. It is plain and simple the facts in an attempt to put our firearm victories in proper perspective. After the failed 2004 and 2006 PPA's, both largely crafted by the NRA, the NRA left town and never looked back. In fact going so far as to tell the whole country that we have no manner of firearm carry for personal protection. Totally ignoring our constitutional right to open carry. Open carry with less restrictions than many shall issue concealed carry states allow.

    We owe our open carry freedoms to five individuals. Nik, Hubert, Brad Krause, Jesus Gonzales and J.B. VanHollen. They were the ones that had the guts to put their freedom, finances, reputations and convictions on the line while the NRA turned a blind eye. Now that it looks like concealed carry may finally come to Wisconsin th NRA wants to steal the thunder.

    My opinion

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    You are right about the 5, Captain. If the NRA really wants Constitutional Carry they have to pound the legislature and it will happen. As I said before, the biggest issue is providing legislative cover if a nut case runs amoke. That's why I think at a minimum there will have to be a background check done. A positive would be the potential to avoid the background check when purchasing a firearm.

    http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=6633

    The first agenda item of any politican is to get re-elected. They will give you only lip service unless you have contributed money, time or both to them & the NRA has done both and has the ability to do more. Otherwise it's an education process & WCI and its members have done a masterful job in that regard.
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    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

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    The NRA has come out strongly AGAINST mandatory training and instructors pushing for it.

    http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6627

    Coming out for Constitional Carry and against manditory training, what more can the NRA do???

    Other than the NRA, WI-Force, WCI, and Wisconsin Bear Hunters, I have not seen any other organization advocating in the Wisconsin state legislature against firearm restrictions and for firearm freedoms in the last legislative session.

    The state "no compromise" firearm "advocate" organization in Wisconsin and the other hunting groups were about as visible as piss ants in the Capitol urinals.
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    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

    The Joyce Foundation funded firearm control empire:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    ...what more can the NRA do???
    Posting one propaganda piece and then mass emailing it is hardly worthy of attention. If they (NRA) were strongly against Concealed Carry they would have lobbyists hammering Madison daily. They would then spin it to their advantage and mercilessly cram it down anyone's throat who would listen.

    Yet it has been nothing but quit on the NRA front here in Wisco. Where has the NRA been all this time? While everyone here on OpenCarry.org has been writing, calling, emailing, coughing up cash, passing out fliers, passing out buttons, holding gatherings almost weekly, and penning their own legislation?

    What more can the NRA do? Well for starters they could have been in this fight from a year ago instead of swooping down now and claiming credit for all your (members here) hard work. They could show up with their political pressure, money, bodies... instead of telling us we need to call and write now! Time is of the essence! OH NO!!!

    No sh*t Sherlock. Thanks for the news flash.
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    I emailed Mr. Cox's letter to my Reps & Senators
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    I emailed Mr. Cox's letter to my Reps & Senators
    Same here.

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