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    Open Carry Questions - Newbie

    I spend most of my time in the cities of Fairfax and Alexandria, I recently just purchased a .357 Ruger GP100 as my Open Carry weapon. As I was Google searching the OC laws for Virginia I found this statute (I underlined the parts I have questions about):


    18.2-287.4. Carrying loaded firearms in
    public areas prohibited; penalty.
    It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded (a) semi-
    that expels single or multiple automatic center-fire rifle or pistol
    projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and
    is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will
    hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the
    manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a foldgazine that will hold more than ing stock or (b) shotgun with a ma
    seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered
    on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk,
    public right-of-way, or in any public park or any other place of
    the public in the Cities of Alexan- whatever nature that is open to
    Church, Newport News, Norfolk, dria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls
    the Counties of Arlington, Fair- Richmond, or Virginia Beach or in
    fax, Henrico, Loudoun, or Prince William.

    The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement
    ds, military personnel in the per- officers, licensed security guar
    formance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or to any person actually engaged in lawful
    hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established
    shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

    My questions are:

    1. Local Governments in Alexandria have restricted open carry unless you have a CHP?
    2. Local Governments in Fairfax have restricted open carry unless you have a CHP?
    3. I literally cannot walk down the street to my neighbors house with my gun on my hip in either Alexandria or Virginia?

    I'm hoping someone can explain this statute a little more clearly because I know Virginia allows OC - I just don't want to get in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bh2win View Post
    My questions are:

    1. Local Governments in Alexandria have restricted open carry unless you have a CHP?
    2. Local Governments in Fairfax have restricted open carry unless you have a CHP?
    3. I literally cannot walk down the street to my neighbors house with my gun on my hip in either Alexandria or Virginia?
    1. No.
    2. No.
    3. Yes, you can.

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    18.2-287.4. Carrying loaded firearms in
    public areas prohibited; penalty.
    It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded (a) semi-
    that expels single or multiple automatic center-fire rifle or pistol
    projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and
    is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will
    hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the
    manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a foldgazine that will hold more than ing stock or (b) shotgun with a ma
    seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered
    on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk,
    public right-of-way, or in any public park
    or any other place of
    the public in the Cities of Alexan- whatever nature that is open to
    Church, Newport News, Norfolk, dria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls
    the Counties of Arlington, Fair- Richmond, or Virginia Beach or in
    fax, Henrico, Loudoun, or Prince William.
    The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement
    ds, military personnel in the per- officers, licensed security guar
    formance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or to any person actually engaged in lawful
    hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established
    shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

    Read carefully

    Meaning if you carry a Glock with a 33round magazine you are in violation
    same with the rest of it, IE the silenerce.
    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 04-18-2011 at 03:18 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    See the important parts of this law, bolded below.

    18.2-287.4. Carrying loaded firearms in public areas prohibited; penalty.

    It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded (a) [semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol] that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is [equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition] or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or (b) shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk, public right-of-way, or in any public park or any other place of whatever nature that is open to the public in the Cities of Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls Church, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, or Virginia Beach or in the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Henrico, Loudoun, or Prince William.

    The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or to any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

    The exemptions set forth in 18.2-308 shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to the provisions of this section.

    Your GP-100 is neither a semi-automatic, nor can it hold anywhere near 20 rounds of ammunition.

    TFred

    ETA: Oops, typed too slow!
    Last edited by TFred; 04-18-2011 at 03:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    Read carefully

    Meaning if you carry a Glock with a 33round magazine you are in violation
    same with the rest of it
    Unless you have a CHP - then you are legal.

    "The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit ......"
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Thank God, you guy's are amazing and knowledgeable. Thank you for your swift responses.

    Puts my mind to rest knowing I can legally OC. Thanks again.

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    Ruger Gp100 is a great firearm.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bh2win View Post
    Thank God, you guy's are amazing and knowledgeable. Thank you for your swift responses.

    Puts my mind to rest knowing I can legally OC. Thanks again.
    Check the Virginia forum regularly and you will see meet 'n greets frequently planned.
    Come on out and sit and chat a spell. More good info available on a first hand basis and lots of friendly people from all walks of life.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    I'll do that Grapeshot, thanks.

    Always looking for like minded people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bh2win View Post

    My questions are:

    1. Local Governments in Alexandria have restricted open carry unless you have a CHP?
    2. Local Governments in Fairfax have restricted open carry unless you have a CHP?
    3. I literally cannot walk down the street to my neighbors house with my gun on my hip in either Alexandria or Virginia?
    Quote Originally Posted by hunter45 View Post
    1. No.
    2. No.
    3. Yes, you can.
    3. If your neighbor is ok with it. Personal Property rights are also important.
    Carry On.

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    You may find this class if interest to you:

    http://proactiveshooters.com/general...d-carry-in-va/

    We discuss a number of Virginia carry laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    3. If your neighbor is ok with it. Personal Property rights are also important.
    He can walk down the street all he wants, whether his neighbor is OK with it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    You may find this class if interest to you:

    http://proactiveshooters.com/general...d-carry-in-va/

    We discuss a number of Virginia carry laws.
    Jim .. any news on adding any more dates for this course yet ?

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    By the way bh2win, welcome to this board and the fraternity of OCers. (Should I also add the sorority of OCers? We do have a number of distaff members!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouser View Post
    Jim .. any news on adding any more dates for this course yet ?
    We have a May date available and we just added a July date.

    This week we'll probably add 1 or 2 more dates for the rest of the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    We have a May date available and we just added a July date.

    This week we'll probably add 1 or 2 more dates for the rest of the year.
    ok thanks .. the May date didn't work for me, already had to cancel for that one because of conflicting arrangements. Hopefully July will be convenient for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by bh2win View Post
    3. I literally cannot walk down the street to my neighbors house with my gun on my hip in either Alexandria or Virginia?
    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    3. If your neighbor is ok with it. Personal Property rights are also important.
    Quote Originally Posted by hunter45 View Post
    He can walk down the street all he wants, whether his neighbor is OK with it or not.
    Depends on what the OP meant by "to my neighbor's house". If he meant "on the sidewalk up to the boundary of my neighbors property", then hunter45's response is correct. If he meant "onto the property of my neighbor", then ed's response is correct.

    Let's just hope another horse will not be dead by the time this thread is done!

    TFred

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    By the way bh2win, welcome to this board and the fraternity of OCers. (Should I also add the sorority of OCers? We do have a number of distaff members!)
    Thank you good sir. This forum's reputation of friendly exceeds all expectations in kindness and information.

    And thanks for posting the classes ProShooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bh2win View Post
    I spend most of my time in the cities of Fairfax and Alexandria, I recently just purchased a .357 Ruger GP100 as my Open Carry weapon.
    Try not to call your gun a weapon it has negative connotations. Call it a gun
    "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt_Kowalski View Post
    Try not to call your gun a weapon it has negative connotations. Call it a gun
    Indeed a "weapon" brings to mind attack, aggression and other negative derivations.

    Gun, handgun, pistol, revolver or by manufacturer and model. Any of these are apt dipictions of the defensive tool we carry for use only as a last resort.
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    I'll keep that in mind, I'll only carry also when I'm dressed in business attire. Not trying to give the wrong vibe to people in the neighboring areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bh2win View Post
    I'll keep that in mind, I'll only carry also when I'm dressed in business attire. Not trying to give the wrong vibe to people in the neighboring areas.
    Hmmm - might want to rethink that unless you are certain that you'll never have a need when dressed more causally.

    Many (most?) here carry 24/7.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bh2win View Post
    And thanks for posting the classes ProShooter.
    My pleasure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Hmmm - might want to rethink that unless you are certain that you'll never have a need when dressed more causally.

    Many (most?) here carry 24/7.
    +1
    There is dress and there is dress. Unfortunately, much of OC is Public Relations but that doesn't mean you have to wear your Sunday-Go-to-Meeting, best .... A little common sense (Which I'm a little light on) goes a long way.

    I have an assault vest I used to wear when I was videoing. (Sturdy with lots of pockets)

    Once when we were at an event, a camerman for a news group walked up and asked what militia we were with.

    I switched to a fishing vest.

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