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    Carry/Home Defense Gun

    Im looking for a good carry and home defense gun that is DA/SA, has safetys, and is double stack lol...

    ideally a merger of a 1911 and a Glock would be the preferred gun i like the sigs, but they didnt have a thumb safety which is what im really looking for. any suggestions???

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    You didn't list if you were looking for a 9mm, .40 or .45 so I'll take a guess. The S&W M&P has models that come with a manual safety, and they also come with 3 interchangeable back straps. That is the one that comes to mind right away but I'm sure others will chime in with something else.
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    oops, yea im looking for a 40sw....

    the Smith and Wesson M&P can do both, DA and SA?
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    CRAP!!! Forgot it is a striker fired pistol . Might want to look into a Beretta. Is a DA/SA and a manual safety a must? The Glock is not a true DA and if you are looking into a pistol with a combo of a 1911/Glock many of the striker fired pistols would do the job IMO.
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    lol

    i like the P229 just that it lacks the thumb safety.

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    Your home defense gun really shouldn't be limited to a handgun. Carbines are far more accurate, generally have higher capacities and are a better platform for weapon lights and optics.

    The only reason we don't use them for carry guns is it is hard to find a holster.

    For a carry gun look at the HKs and FNs, they seem to fit your criteria.
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    yeah i completely agree. i have a shotty for HD...but i am carryign this pistol 24/7 so i want somethign that fits what i need for that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvtopiwala View Post
    Im looking for a good carry and home defense gun that is DA/SA, has safetys, and is double stack lol...

    ideally a merger of a 1911 and a Glock would be the preferred gun i like the sigs, but they didnt have a thumb safety which is what im really looking for. any suggestions???

    RELIABILITY is key as well.
    Have you looked at the CZ Rami? It has all the features you listed. I've have the CZ 75B and the Rami. The Rami is light weight for carry, double stack mag, DA/SA, both external and internal safties.
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    I know that you are looking for a hammer fired gun with safeties, but I second that opinion of the M&P. I have it in 9mm and love it. It is my personal carry gun.

    And if you are worried about kids getting it you can always just keep the mag separate if you get one that can't fire without the mag.

    I just now looked, you can also get one with a thumb safety. I have one of the 1st models that don't have the safeties.

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    i like the S&W but as i said, i wanted a DA/SA while the S&W is a striker fire. I already own a Glock 23 so i didnt want another striker fire pistol

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    2 come to mind,right off the bat.-all good choices

    FNP

    Bersa Thunder 40

    Taurus PT840

    All 3 are full-ambi,hi=cap, DA/SA w. decockers.

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    how do u rate Bersas reliability?

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    Far as I've heard, they've been quiet good.
    But always take interweb "reliability" -or not- stuff with a huge grain of salt- good or bad.There's a lot of brand snobbery out here, where folks will try to tell you that only Brand X Y or Z are worth anything-with or without any 1st-hand knowledge.

    The Bersa, Ive no 1st hand info- I was researching it, most I found was positive. Went with another make/model, more for ergonomic reasons than anything. The .45 grip was so thick I couldnt get my hand around it. Only reason I didnt get the Bersa.

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    I'd say you'd have more options if you let go of wanting the thumb safety. Proper handling and respect for the firearm is far more likely to prevent a ND, IMHO.
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    While I can make an argument either way for a thumb safety I have to admit that I love my H&K USP! They come in 40s&w too but mine is 45acp.

    While practice make a thumb safety simple, waking up at 4am in the dark with an intruder coming at you might not be the time you want to be futsing with a thumb safety. :-)

    The nice advantage of the USP (and some others) is that you can rack the slide with the safety on so that you can load and unload "safely".

    I also have Sig P220 (8+1), FNP-45 (14/15+1) both great guns in 45acp. I haven't checked out higher capacity 40's but the P226 I think is 13+1 and the FNP-40 is I think still 14/15+1 depending on the magazine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 45acpForMe View Post
    While practice make a thumb safety simple, waking up at 4am in the dark with an intruder coming at you might not be the time you want to be futsing with a thumb safety. :-)
    I figure it would have something to do with children being in the house. I know I would want as many ways to keep from hurting/killing someone (that doesn't deserve it) as I can.

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    Manual safeties are a good idea at first glance, but are actually a terrible idea because they are one more thing to fumble over and prevent you from killing a bad guy before he can kill you. Glock and Sig left them off for very good reasons. Furthermore, if you carry responsibly in a good holster, you will have no problems with a gun with no safety, and you'll be that much more ready if you ever have to draw.

    That said, as mentioned, if you insist on a manual safety, I would suggest a FNP because it is a cheaper version of the P series Sig's, and comes with manual safeties. They can be carried cocked and locked, or DA with the safety off. If you're sure you want that, it's there for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    <snip> That said, as mentioned, if you insist on a manual safety, I would suggest a FNP because it is a cheaper version of the P series Sig's, and comes with manual safeties. They can be carried cocked and locked, or DA with the safety off. If you're sure you want that, it's there for you.
    I really like the FNP-45 but it is large so depending on your hand size you may or may not like it. If you have regular to large hands though it is fine but "feel" is totally subjective.

    I prefer a properly holstered handgun to a handgun with a thumb safety. Since 1911's are single action I like a thumb safety on them and any other gun you are going to carry cocked-and-locked. :-) One other thing is that you "don't" have to use the thumb safety if you find a gun you like that has one but whatever you do train for how you will carry it.

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    theres no such thing as double stack 1911 is there? cuz that would be the EXACT pistol im looking for lol

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    Probably does not pertain to the OP, but my home defence unit is the Mossberg Persuader (12ga.) and my carry sidearm is a Springfield Armory XD-40..(.40 cal.)

    I like the saftey features of the XD as well as I beleive it is "double stacked" (?) with a mag capacity of 12 rounds.. I am not too knowledgeable on the SA/DA topic as it relates to semi atuomatic pistols, so that is why this might not apply to the original post...

    I would also have no problem in defending my home with the XD as I keep it on my bed side table "just in case"...

    Just my $0.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvtopiwala View Post
    theres no such thing as double stack 1911 is there? cuz that would be the EXACT pistol im looking for lol
    Yes there is the Para P-14 .45 hi-cap double stack 1911 a few other manufactures make them as well, heavy pigs for carry in my opinion, i stay with the single stack 1911.

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    hmm ok...now i just gotta find a Para dealer in FL thats close lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvtopiwala View Post
    theres no such thing as double stack 1911 is there? cuz that would be the EXACT pistol im looking for lol
    Yes I have the Para Big Hawg. Not sure if they make them anymore but they are still available at gunbroker.com: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=225400574

    14+1 or 15+1 really isn't all that hard to carry. The Para is only slightly wider than a normal grip. I love almost everything about this gun but it had some feeding issues and I sent it back to the factory. Since I got it back I put 100 rounds through it and still had 3 FTF. :-( The only good news is that all 3 FTF were on the same magazine so I pulled that one out of rotation and will test without it next time. If I can get this gun to be 100% reliable it will be one of my daily carry guns. I love the accuracy, sights, grip feel, trigger (90% about 6lbs) and capacity. They recommend 300-400 break-in rounds through it though and my Colt and Springfield didn't need any break-in period.

    There are other Springfield and some high end 1911's that have higher capacity too but usually I see them with target sights on. I prefer 3-dot or night sights for a carry gun vs a competition/range gun.

    If you like higher capacity 45acp guns check out the FNP-45. It has been 100% reliable, low cost under $600 and feels like a Sig/H&K in your hand. It has 14/15+1 just like the Big Hawg. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=225783285
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Yes there is the Para P-14 .45 hi-cap double stack 1911 a few other manufactures make them as well, heavy pigs for carry in my opinion, i stay with the single stack 1911.
    If you have a good belt they aren't that bad. Since the Big Hawg has a alloy frame it lightens up the gun nicely. Compared to a stainless steel frame the added capacity kind of equals out the weight.

    While shooting it though you will notice more muzzle flip on the latter 7 rounds as opposed to the first 7. :-) Of my three 1911's (Cold, Springfield, Para) I am more accurate with the Para. I sold the Colt and Springfield to finance another gun although I miss them a bit. :-(

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    Double Stack 1911's:

    Para Ordnance makes several models, but make sure you know what trigger you're ordering because some of their guns come DAO. If you do a google search on them you'll find a whole bunch of mixed reviews that indicate some models are better than others.
    Springfield Armory also makes double stack 1911s. In fact, my father has a new in box, never fired double stack Springfield 1911 that he'd like to sell. PM me if you'd like more info.

    Heckler & Koch:

    This would be my choice. They'll be significantly lighter than a double stack 1911 thanks to the poly frame, and they're dead reliable. I've never heard of anybody ever having a problem with an H&K.

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