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    What does the "Three Percenter Movement" have to do with us at OCDO?

    IMHO.....NOTHING! I just got this from the RTL reporter:

    Hi David, Travis and Craig,

    I hope this finds you well! I’m very pleased to let you know that the Open Carry/Three Percenters pieces, parts 1 and 2, will be airing today, Wednesday April 20 and tomorrow Thursday, April 21. They will air as part of our newscast at 4 p.m., 5 p.m. and 8 p.m. You can also watch live at: http://rt.com/on-air/rt-america-air/

    I’ve attached a pdf of where to watch RT in various parts of the country as well.

    Also, you can check out our youtube channel where we will post the video around 5 p.m: http://www.youtube.com/user/RTAmerica

    All My Best,

    ---
    Kaelyn Forde

    Let's hope this series turns out well!
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    What is a 3%'r?
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    nice job..
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    Just caught the last bit of it...

    From the discussion at the link Ed posted, it seems like OC might have gone over their heads. RT seems intent on injecting the idea that OC is anti-governmental.

    Ben Cohen's "common sense" seems anything but.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t33j View Post
    Just caught the last bit of it...

    From the discussion at the link Ed posted, it seems like OC might have gone over their heads. RT seems intent on injecting the idea that OC is anti-governmental.

    Ben Cohen's "common sense" seems anything but.
    I notice that too.

    Is that video part 1 and 2? or is part 2 not out yet?
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    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t33j View Post
    Just caught the last bit of it...

    From the discussion at the link Ed posted, it seems like OC might have gone over their heads. RT seems intent on injecting the idea that OC is anti-governmental.

    Ben Cohen's "common sense" seems anything but.
    IMHO OCers are not anti-government, they are pro freedom. If the OC message seems anti- government, then it is probably because the reporter has accepted the government tyranny message that sacrificing liberty for security is good.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    It was a good piece until she tried to make a linkage between us and "anti-government" and "insurgency" groups. Then it turned to **** in 5 seconds...

    This is going to be another hit piece that the antis will use against us....

    Just for the record, I do not advocate the violent overthrow of the US Government nor do I associate with those who do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODA 226 View Post
    It was a good piece until she tried to make a linkage between us and "anti-government" and "insurgency" groups. Then it turned to **** in 5 seconds...

    This is going to be another hit piece that the antis will use against us....

    Just for the record, I do not advocate the violent overthrow of the US Government nor do I associate with those who do.
    Same, anyone wanting to do that is just a nut.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Wow, I'm sorry they did that to you at the end. The piece seemed to be fairly positive until the unatributed statements at the end. What a twist. By the way, you guys did a great job at the park. I was so tempted to come down. I'll try for next time.

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    That looked like A&P Arm's range.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    Just for the record, I do not advocate the violent overthrow of the US Government nor do I associate with those who do.

    Same, anyone wanting to do that is just a nut.
    Ok so I Googled 3%'r...interesting.

    I am in accordance with the above quote HOWEVER, I reserve the right to change my mind on that at any time in the future.
    It would have to get pretty bad before I ever even considered it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODA 226 View Post
    Just for the record, I do not advocate the violent overthrow of the US Government nor do I associate with those who do.
    If you take the option off the table, then they know they can get away with anything.

    The 2nd Amendment is the elephant in the room. Its intended purpose is to do exactly as you claim you never would.

    In my opinion they have already gone well beyond the point of no return. Peace will not come to us while they remain in power. And since the last time we tried to sever those ties it cost over 600,000 lives and destroyed not one, but TWO countries in the process, it is unlikely that any contemporary attempts would end any differently.

    Violence should always be reserved as the last option, but it must remain an option.

    BTW, I am VERY anti-government. Government has shown me that they are only interested in taking away and making themselves more powerful at the expense of liberty. That disgusts me and I think our founding fathers would experience fits of intense vomiting and diarrhea if they were to witness what has become of their legacy.

    And then they would go from door to door slapping the s**t out of each and every one of us for allowing it to happen.

    I also do not care for the out-of-context interjection of the single statement of mine which was included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    If you take the option off the table, then they know they can get away with anything.

    The 2nd Amendment is the elephant in the room. Its intended purpose is to do exactly as you claim you never would.

    In my opinion they have already gone well beyond the point of no return. Peace will not come to us while they remain in power. And since the last time we tried to sever those ties it cost over 600,000 lives and destroyed not one, but TWO countries in the process, it is unlikely that any contemporary attempts would end any differently.

    Violence should always be reserved as the last option, but it must remain an option.

    BTW, I am VERY anti-government. Government has shown me that they are only interested in taking away and making themselves more powerful at the expense of liberty. That disgusts me and I think our founding fathers would experience fits of intense vomiting and diarrhea if they were to witness what has become of their legacy.

    And then they would go from door to door slapping the s**t out of each and every one of us for allowing it to happen.

    I also do not care for the out-of-context interjection of the single statement of mine which was included.
    I think the point is that OCDO is about the discussion of lawful open carry, not our feelings about correcting government abuses. It's just not a topic that should be hung out for everyone to see.

    Our founding Fathers had to babysit Benjamin Franklin because despite his wisdom, he couldn't keep his mouth shut in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    That looked like A&P Arm's range.
    It was. It was also funny that she specifically wanted to film me shooting full auto and then showed only shooting in semi....More of my thoughts on this fiasco later.....
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    As a VCDL Executive Member only (and therefore not one who speaks for the organization) I was distressed at this video. I dislike its statement that VCDL is a part of the greater "open carry" movement, since VCDL pointedly states it supports concealed carry, open carry, or no carry, at the individual's choice. I really dislike the attempt to marry OCDO and VCDL, but that's probably an individual prejudice.

    Overall, I thought the piece rather prejudicing rather than open-minded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tess View Post
    As a VCDL Executive Member only (and therefore not one who speaks for the organization) I was distressed at this video. I dislike its statement that VCDL is a part of the greater "open carry" movement, since VCDL pointedly states it supports concealed carry, open carry, or no carry, at the individual's choice. I really dislike the attempt to marry OCDO and VCDL, but that's probably an individual prejudice.

    Overall, I thought the piece rather prejudicing rather than open-minded.
    Tess, just like Sailor Kurt, mentioning that you are an Executive member gives the impression that you can speak for VCDL despite the disclaimer.

    VCDL would be better off if it dedicated itself to the 2nd amendment rather than any particular style of carry or type of gun owner.

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    Originally Posted by ODA 226
    Just for the record, I do not advocate the violent overthrow of the US Government nor do I associate with those who do.
    Agree.

    Political commentary, both quoting from the past and discussing the present climate, is woven throughout the fabric of OCDO and the RKBA. It is when it becomes the principal subject or derails a thread on this site that rules may be stretched or broken.

    Posting prolonged discussions or "campaigning" to hammer the point that the 2A exists to resist an unpopular government is NOT the focus, intent or purpose of OCDO. Yes such is RKBA related, but it is not OC specific. To use this forum to expound on that aspect detracts from the agenda desired and gives the opposition a wedge that we should not provide, either by word or deed.

    OCDO does not advocate violence of any type to bring about change. Using education, the courts and the legislative process is the means advocated. The posted rule is quite clear on this matter:

    "WE ADVOCATE FOR THE 'LAW-ABIDING' ONLY: Posts advocating illegal acts of any kind are NOT welcome here. Even if you feel that a law is unconstitutional we do not break it, we repeal it or defeat it in the courts."
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    Youu are right Tess, VCDL supports P4P and gun rights, so why the OCDO association?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tess View Post
    As a VCDL Executive Member only (and therefore not one who speaks for the organization) I was distressed at this video. I dislike its statement that VCDL is a part of the greater "open carry" movement, since VCDL pointedly states it supports concealed carry, open carry, or no carry, at the individual's choice. I really dislike the attempt to marry OCDO and VCDL, but that's probably an individual prejudice.

    Overall, I thought the piece rather prejudicing rather than open-minded.
    The association of VCDL with open carry irked me as well Tess. VCDL supports P4P much more than it supports our OC rights. So why the association?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODA 226 View Post

    Just for the record, I do not advocate the violent overthrow of the US Government nor do I associate with those who do.
    I agree if by overthrow you mean offensive violence. Morality forbids doing what all governments do: steal by force of arms (they call it taxation) and slaughter on a massive scale (war, or "kinetic military action"). At some subjective point, enough is enough. 3%'s (from what I can tell) advocate armed rebellion if the state attempts forcible gun confiscation. I have no problem with that.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tess View Post
    As a VCDL Executive Member only (and therefore not one who speaks for the organization) I was distressed at this video. I dislike its statement that VCDL is a part of the greater "open carry" movement, since VCDL pointedly states it supports concealed carry, open carry, or no carry, at the individual's choice. I really dislike the attempt to marry OCDO and VCDL, but that's probably an individual prejudice.

    Overall, I thought the piece rather prejudicing rather than open-minded.
    I am rather angry about this too, because I VERY SPECIFICALLY told her that while many VCDL members are also members of OCDO, the two are VERY separate entities. I also VERY SPECIFICALLY told her that the VCDL supports ALL modes of carry, prefering none over the other.

    I am deployed now and can only write in small blocks, but I will try to comment more later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    BTW, I am VERY anti-government.
    That's fine; I'm libertarian. My comment was to point out that OC has nothing (necessarily) to do with anti-government sentiment. That's not to say they are mutually exclusive but the connection isn't requisite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t33j View Post
    That's fine; I'm libertarian. My comment was to point out that OC has nothing (necessarily) to do with anti-government sentiment. That's not to say they are mutually exclusive but the connection isn't requisite.
    Oh, no doubt. I just wanted to reinforce that some people DO feel that way and count myself among them.

    One thing that I have striven to show people here on OCDO (and elsewhere) is that while I may advocate or defend certain principles, I make it clear that I in no way wish to force anyone else to hold those tenets.

    Do what you will with yourself. It is when you begin to impose restrictions on me or attempt to deprive me of my beliefs for your own comfort or for some arbitrary sense of decorum that I draw the line.

    The connection between the two CAN be drawn - but as you say it is not necessary to draw it, nor do proponents of either concerns necessarily draw it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODA 226 View Post
    I am rather angry about this too, because I VERY SPECIFICALLY told her that while many VCDL members are also members of OCDO, the two are VERY separate entities. I also VERY SPECIFICALLY told her that the VCDL supports ALL modes of carry, prefering none over the other.

    I am deployed now and can only write in small blocks, but I will try to comment more later.
    Indeed.

    VCDL is a formal, legal entity with paid memberships. There are officers including a president, who has said that VCDL promotes the choice to CC, OC, or NoC.

    OCDO on the other hand is an privately owned, open forum w/o formal membership - anyone with a computer can read what is posted here and joining in the discussions has no special requirements other than registering and following the rules.

    That the purposes of each would seem similar should not be construed to indicate that either was part of the other.
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    Here's Part Two!:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RTAmerica#p/u/8/mJ2e8z2F8wM

    I'm sure that all the good people that helped us at the Ragged Island RWA Cleanup appreciate having their faces shown as Forde is refering to "Militia Members" and "Insurgent Groups"!
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