WantsToCarry
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No skidmark its a Colt 38 special. Just the date of manufacture was 1917. I love the ol gal and would like to carry her. I just got to do some more shooting with her!
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Cannot Open Carry With a Concealed Carry Holster
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No skidmark its a Colt 38 special. Just the date of manufacture was 1917. I love the ol gal and would like to carry her. I just got to do some more shooting with her!
carry for myself
Regular Member
i know it ughhh applied for my CCW on the 22nd.........guy at the desk said 4-6 weeks, i replied ill call you in 30 days ;-). so now i wait till the 22nd of june. and start makin the phones ring haha.
boyscout399
Regular Member
The statute in Maine says they MUST reply with your permit or denial within 30 days if you're a resident. not 4-6 weeks. 30 days maximum.
shanebelanger
Accomplished Advocate
Bingo.
Flashlight
Regular Member
The problem is there are no repercussions for not complying. Police departments have no incentive to follow the law. Which is why it took 8+ weeks to get mine and would have taken longer if Mr Belanger wasn't such a bulldog.
KBCraig
Regular Member
Yep, Texas ran into that problem too. It was taking months to get licenses, no matter what the time limit said.
You might want to become familiar with Writ of Mandamus/Mandamus Order.
The writ of mandamus can also be issued in a mandamus proceeding, independent of any judicial proceeding. Generally, such a petition for a mandamus order is made to compel a judicial or government officer to perform a duty owed to the petitioner.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/writ+of+mandamus
What really sucks is when, after having the chiefs assistant go over your application for completion and getting the OK, you get a call 3 weeks later saying you need to redo your application and wait an additional month. That sucks bad.
We-the-People
Regular Member
FAIL So if YOU are about to be mugged and you pull your weapon...then they turn and run (you're not going to chase them or shoot themn right)...when the cops come and arrest you.....you're on your own...you drew, you pay the piper????
That is so EPIC FAIL. There is a Constitution in this country and Due Process. It applies equally to the good guys and the bad guys when they are abiding by the law. The "concealed weapon" charge may or may not be legitimate but to throw ANYONE under the bus for using a firearm sucessfully (THREAT GONE, NO ONE HURT) whether they be a shining example of upstanding citizen, a dirtbag that's within the law, or someone in between.....is EPIC FAIL
carry for myself
Regular Member
if im about to be mugged am i going to pull my gun? in the state of Maine.......NO!. so not epic fail. in the state of maine to use lethal force the attacker must be using equal or greater force and there must be immediate danger to MY LIFE. not my property, not my tv, not my wallet. my LIFE. if i draw and shoot because someone says "give me your wallet or im gonna beat you" that is not immediate threat of LIFE OR LIMB. meaning i would be charged with negligent homicide or gross manslaughter.
in Maine.........if you do pull your gun, you better have a DANG good reason to do so. maybe your state has a stand your ground act in place, however in the state of Maine we do not and we have to be very careful on when we draw our weapons. if i were mugged i would pepper spray or taze him. because it is non lethal. not to sound like a jerk but.......before you insult someone. learn their state laws..........nuff said
carry for myself
Regular Member
on a second note. this kids life was not in immediate danger, looks like he was gonna get hit a few times *if they even were there* however unless they were trying to kill him, he was in the wrong for pulling legally, and therefore needs some safety classes, NRA instruciton and to learn the laws himself.
We-the-People
Regular Member
FIRST I do NOT carry pepper spray or a tazer. To do so is only asking for trouble if you ever have to employ your firearm. All of the armchair quarterbacks will be second guessing your actions and asking "why didn't you just pepper spray the guy with the _____"?
When you are open carrying and someone is not deterred by that fact, and attempts to mug you that is MOST DEFINITELY sufficient threat to employ deadly force. If you were concealed it would be a different story but when open carrying and someone attempts to mug you ANY REASONABLE PERSON would feel that their life were threatened. The mugger could overpower you, take your weapon, and use it against you. The mere fact that they are going to attempt to mug an open carrier...THEY have escalated the threat to LETHAL and lethal force IS JUSTIFIED.
carry for myself
Regular Member
respectfully i say. Not in the state of Maine its not. 3 things happen when you shoot someone here, first the cops show up, second they take your gun away, third every single time......they arrest you. now they dont let you go, or give back your gun untill the investigation is done......and if they were not trying to kill you..........your not being released......for 10-25.
if they are trying to mug me? even if they have a gun..........im gonna give em my wallet. if they are in my house, stealing my tv..........im letting em have the tv. i will not resort to lethal force. unless i believe my life is about to end rickity tick.
To those of us who have never taken a life. stating that shooting someone is the best option you can muster. To those of us who have, who dream, fear, and live with it. we dont think that way. my Tv, my car, my wallet, not worth killing one more person in my life over. preserving my life from death, is. JMO
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We-the-People
Regular Member
EMPLOYING deadly force is not the same as firing. EMPLOYING can be any level from hand on weapon stating "I have a firearm" to drawing and firing (and anything in between).
I have no idea what the intention of a mugger (and neither does anyone else) is but since I ONLY open carry, any mugger who is determined enough to try to mug me IS a threat...a DEADLY threat. So what, I should leave my pistol holstered and hand him my wallet assuming that he's not going to take that as well? SORRY. There is a reason we have juries and the mugger will have a gun in his face. How that works out will be entirely up to him/her/them.
I know it's cliche but I will be tried by a jury before I am carried.
If Maine is that tyrannical in how they treat citizens who protect themselves from predators and scumbags then you need to get some new politicians and some new laws.
We-the-People
Regular Member
Thanks LT + 1x10^10
Without a doubt Maine does not require that you submit to a beating or the threat of one before defending yourself.
If I am going to be mugged and believe that I will be seriously injured, will I be thinking about defensive reactions? Nope..................I will already have responded. What and to what degree will depend upon the information received. All options are on the table.
If I am going to be mugged and believe that I will be seriously injured, will I be thinking about defensive reactions? Nope..................I will already have responded. What and to what degree will depend upon the information received. All options are on the table.
boyscout399
Regular Member
on a second note. this kids life was not in immediate danger, looks like he was gonna get hit a few times *if they even were there* however unless they were trying to kill him, he was in the wrong for pulling legally, and therefore needs some safety classes, NRA instruciton and to learn the laws himself.
If they were trying to rob him, then he was in fact justified in using deadly force per Maine Statutes.
Robbery, Kidnapping, Gross Sexual Assault, or unlawful deadly force are all defensible reasons to use deadly force in Maine.
Also, other privileges are granted if you're in your own home and defending your property.
Title 17-A Sec 104 says you can use deadly force if someone has entered your dwelling place, and you believe they are going to commit another crime inside your home, and you have warned them and told them to terminate their trespass.
cllmecrazy
Regular Member
However, there is also:
C. However, a person is not justified in using deadly force as provided in paragraph A if:
(3) The person knows that the person or a 3rd person can, with complete safety:
(a) Retreat from the encounter, except that the person or the 3rd person is not required to retreat if the person or the 3rd person is in the person's dwelling place and was not the initial aggressor;
(b) Surrender property to a person asserting a colorable claim of right thereto; or
(c) Comply with a demand that the person abstain from performing an act that the person is not obliged to perform.
So you have to give them the option to put the TV down, step away from you and exit. You can't detain them. Somewhat common sense there but thought I'd add it.
Honestly I was taught the same thing as Carry For Myself. Apparently some instructors need to get their story straight before teaching people.
There is a fine line between "polite dissent" and trolling.
Those that look for reasons to restrict our ability to defend ourselves or argue against it will often ignore certain points or "accidentally" not include others. Then there is the occassionally deliberate agent provocateur -they are humorous, but not long lived.
All in all, I find that Maine has good and strong self-defense laws that support both RKBA and personal protection. Posting here means acceptance of the rules and accountability for both what we say and what we imply.
It is no fault that most posters are able to discern the difference easily.
Those that look for reasons to restrict our ability to defend ourselves or argue against it will often ignore certain points or "accidentally" not include others. Then there is the occassionally deliberate agent provocateur -they are humorous, but not long lived.
All in all, I find that Maine has good and strong self-defense laws that support both RKBA and personal protection. Posting here means acceptance of the rules and accountability for both what we say and what we imply.
It is no fault that most posters are able to discern the difference easily.
NavyLT i hate to say it but there is no reason to start acting like an ******* here. You have a real condescending attitude and it doesnt seem necessary at all. Knowing the law is fine but when it gets to be so important to you that you act like a jerk to people who are less informed, maybe you should take that 200$ and talk with a counselor regarding your emotions.