I do not know where this attack occurred, but my question is whether in Virginia the use of deadly force would be justified in this case to protect this girl from death or serious bodily injury. Note I do not know her current condition.
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I watched this a couple hours ago. It wasn't Virginia but why would you need to use deadly force to break up a fight between 3 women?
Maybe they would forget about their little disagreement and all turn on you.
Maybe their armed friends (or really big boyfriends), who were only spectators, would enter the fray against you.
These days, you can never be sure.
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A pair of Yankee women jumped another Yankee woman for whatever reason. Yankee's behave that way.
I watched the video and there wasn't anyone in the place that I couldn't have thrown out and not spilled my double cheese burger.
Why is it that some here want to use their gun instead of a little old fashioned force.
What if doesn't count.
Sorry. My fault for not making my question more clear. I wasn't asking whether engaging would be wise or whether there might be a lower force alternative. My question is whether, in Virginia, it would be legally justified to employ deadly force to stop this girl from getting her head kicked/stomped, which at least in my eyes clearly presents a threat of death or serious bodily injury.
So again I ask, is deadly force justified?
That is a difficult question. Stomping someone's head could definitely kill them but in that situation I think I would have just laid those two b1tches out.
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I could not stand by and do nothing while such a beating took place. I may have not unholstered and tried to intervene like the older lady seen in the video did but with more force. I would hope the sight of my holstered gun would encourage them to take my demand to stop seriously.
Even though I think the above would be a moral action, I could easily see any escalation to deadly force being closely scrutinized by a district attorney and the outcome of that analysis would probably be very skewed to whatever that DA's political agenda was.
So my answer would be yes but my two cents are worth less every day, darn fiat currency!!! :-)
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From a look at those women the fight would have been forgotten. While they graze on the free grub, slip the victim out the side door.
How many times does a person have to kick your head or smash it into a concrete floor/curb before it becomes a life threatening attack? What happens if you lose count while your head is being kicked/smashed? Do you have to start counting over again?
I may have told the victim to get in the corner and stay behind me. I would verbally warn the others they should leave and if they came towards me I would drop them.
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Responses seem to break down along a few different lines.
1. Not my business.
Q. OK. Perfectly reasonable reason to not get involved. Though a little non-responsive on the question of whether or not deadly force is legally justified. So bring it closer to home. The victim is either your daughter/sister/wife. So now you have a dog in the fight. Is deadly force legally justified?
2. I'm strong enough I'd just smack down them thugs. No gun needed.
Q. OK. Perhaps you are strong enough. But what if due to age or infirmity you're not? Or if you just don't want to start wrestling people while wearing a gun? So we're back to the same question. Is deadly force legally justified? Remember if you're carrying, every fight is a gun fight. So if you don't think deadly force is justified why the heck are you doing bringing a gun into the fight?
3. What's a little beat down between friends?
Q. This girl is sufficiently beaten to the point that she loses consciousness and starts convulsing. Sounds like a deadly threat to me. But what do I know. Maybe no one has ever died from being beaten so it's no biggie.
I honestly am not sure I would get involved or not if the victim is a stranger. But I do not think there can be any real doubt that this beat down was a deadly threat. Therefore, I believe engagement with deadly force would be legally justified. IF I did engage, it would only be to stop the threat of death (or serious injury), and no I'm too old/infirm to wade in hands on.
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