I saw this on another site, and it's pretty terrible how people didn't intervene.
That was the most horrible thing I have ever watched ! That was a hate crime that won't be prosecuted of course !!
Just wait until the 2012 elections, when Obama loses, this country is going to burn, just imagine the Rodney King riots but a 1000 times worse. Prepare now, Weapons, Ammo, food, water....The entitlement Animals will start a race war !
Over here http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?89568-McDonalds-Attack-Justification-or-Not it was discussed and the question was asked if the situation, had it taken place in Free America, warranted drawing your legally-carried handgun. It was also debated and disected at our regularly scheduled Saturday morning breakfast.
Just as folks in this thread seem eager to step in and get physical, there were a lot of armchair commandos making statements about not only drawing but firing their legally-caried handgun to "resolve" the situation.
I wonder how many here have done a small amount of research to discover what apparently/allegedly started the altercation? I also wonder how many who might have done that research went further to find out if transgendered persons are allowed or prohibited by law from using the bathroom designated for the sex they identify as being?
I also wonder why so many of the responses seem to go immediately to some sort of use-of-physical-force intervention? Given that there is what is known as the "use of force continuum" that begins with physical presence and (depending on which model you prefer) ends after several steps with the use of lethal force, it seems that many posters are unwilling to see if such tactics as physical presence and command voice will have any effect.
As a matter of fact the video shows that in the beginning physical presence and command voice were effective. It was, IMHO, the failue to follow through on separating the combatants, ecting the presumed instigators, and keeping them out that allowed the situation to progress and escalate. The second and third intervenors appeared to lack the conviction of their actions - in other words it did not appear they were willing to stand up against the two [supposed] attackers and thus their efforts were not sucessful.
Finally, I remain unaware as to whether or not anybody bothered to call the police. Once the combatants were separated advising them that the police had been summoned may have been sufficient incentive for the two [supposed] attackers to leave rather than continue their battery.
Without knowing the full facts of the situation it can be both physically and legally risky to intervene much beyond separating the combatants. Separating the combatants without the use of hands-on force would have been sufficient and allowed the police - presuming they had been summoned - to then investigate and resolve the situation without the intervenor getting seriously involved in the legal side of the matter.
All this is to say that we need to remember that in order to not become one of the defendants in a criminal case it is necessary to either know all the relevant facts or to limit your involvement to the least possible degree while still being able to stop the ongoing assault. Many of the responses seem to avoid that. It's something to think about.
stay safe.
I hope it is not tried as a "hate" crime. It should be tried as a violent crime, and the thugs who perpetrated the violence should do some serious time. It is not the hate, but the willingness to use wanton violence that presents the hazard to individuals in society, prompting us to look to government to pass and enforce laws against dangerous behavior (the true function of government), but not against thought.
Those who choose to hate this woman (or me or you, for that matter) have that right! What they don't have is the right to violently attack another except in defense against violence.
And then they went & showed exactly why they don't deserve any respect.SteyrAUG said:...basically it was a beat down because somebody didn't feel they got their due "proper respect"...
I respect you a lot, but in this here I think you're way off base.skidmark said:I wonder how many here have done a small amount of research to discover what apparently/allegedly started the altercation? I also wonder how many who might have done that research went further to find out if transgendered persons are allowed or prohibited by law from using the bathroom designated for the sex they identify as being?
This ^^^^^irish52084 said:Who and what started the fight is not important, to me. Once the combatants get to the point of maliciously mauling someone for no defensive purposes it becomes time to step in.
And then they went & showed exactly why they don't deserve any respect.
That was the most horrible thing I have ever watched ! That was a hate crime that won't be prosecuted of course !!
Just wait until the 2012 elections, when Obama loses, this country is going to burn, just imagine the Rodney King riots but a 1000 times worse. Prepare now, Weapons, Ammo, food, water....The entitlement Animals will start a race war !
You can bet that if it was 2-3 White girls doing the same thing to a Black girl it would be a hate crime !! It would also be aired on every TV station in the country & Jessie Jackson + Al Sharpton would be leading a Anti White protest rally , The Mindless Liberal Drones in Washington would be demanding tougher laws on Hate Crimes...
Yes this was VERY VIOLENT & A HATE CRIME..
Funny how when one side claims hate crime the other side turns around and tells them to stop whining about it, then those same people open their mouths and whine about the same thing.
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Funny how when one side claims hate crime the other side turns around and tells them to stop whining about it, then those same people open their mouths and whine about the same thing.
And once again you have to get racist just like in your previous anti-black posts. A racist bitching his whiny ass off about racism. Imagine that.