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terrible beating at mickey-D's
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GLOCK21GB
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That was the most horrible thing I have ever watched ! That was a hate crime that won't be prosecuted of course !!
Just wait until the 2012 elections, when Obama loses, this country is going to burn, just imagine the Rodney King riots but a 1000 times worse. Prepare now, Weapons, Ammo, food, water....The entitlement Animals will start a race war !
Just wait until the 2012 elections, when Obama loses, this country is going to burn, just imagine the Rodney King riots but a 1000 times worse. Prepare now, Weapons, Ammo, food, water....The entitlement Animals will start a race war !
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Had I been there, those women would not have made it A.) out of the area between the rest rooms... and B.) would have been unconcious. I'm certainly no hero, and certainly no tough guy, but when people are stomping on other people's heads, they would have caught as many blows of my right fist and elbow as it took until they stopped moving. Period.
I have seen so many beating videos like this. What amazes me is the COWARDS that stand around and A.) do nothing... B.) video tape... C.) try helplessly like the guy in blue did to get them off her.
Or possibly my USP would speak for me
Also, I agree.. probably -should- be prosecuted as a hate crime... and attemped murder.
I have seen so many beating videos like this. What amazes me is the COWARDS that stand around and A.) do nothing... B.) video tape... C.) try helplessly like the guy in blue did to get them off her.
Or possibly my USP would speak for me
Also, I agree.. probably -should- be prosecuted as a hate crime... and attemped murder.
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dbhsig
Regular Member
Just another day in Baltimore - I work in that sewer of a city. I am regularly subjected to racist rants about the evil, "so called" white man (and don't ask me what that means). And, of course, heaven forbid a law-abiding, civilized person carry a gun.
irish52084
Regular Member
I saw this on another site, and it's pretty terrible how people didn't intervene.
I'm with you HKcarrier, I'd of thrown those 2 around like my personal training dummies. I'm a big guy and well trained, so I wouldn't bother hitting them unless I had to, but I would say it would be acceptable. They never would have made it out of there without the cops taking them away either, at least one of them would be stuck there with me restraining them.
Sometime you let 2 people fight it out, but that turned into a 2 vs 1 mauling real quick. Cowardice by everyone there except the older lady who tried to do something.
I'm with you HKcarrier, I'd of thrown those 2 around like my personal training dummies. I'm a big guy and well trained, so I wouldn't bother hitting them unless I had to, but I would say it would be acceptable. They never would have made it out of there without the cops taking them away either, at least one of them would be stuck there with me restraining them.
Sometime you let 2 people fight it out, but that turned into a 2 vs 1 mauling real quick. Cowardice by everyone there except the older lady who tried to do something.
SteyrAUG
Regular Member
It's a dangerous game to play. You can quickly become the "white man with a gun" who started the whole thing. You'd probably be shocked at how many people would fabricate and corroborate completely made up stories about you, even people who don't know each other.
This sort of thing happens because society and the legal system permits, condones and encourages it.
Personally I think they are savages and anyone who react in this fashion regardless or race should be euthanized. Supposedly this all stems from the fact that the "female" in question was either a tranny or a cross dresser and used the ladies bathroom.
So basically it was a beat down because somebody didn't feel they got their due "proper respect" and they lack any social inhibitors regarding proper response of force.
eye95
Well-known member
I hope it is not tried as a "hate" crime. It should be tried as a violent crime, and the thugs who perpetrated the violence should do some serious time. It is not the hate, but the willingness to use wanton violence that presents the hazard to individuals in society, prompting us to look to government to pass and enforce laws against dangerous behavior (the true function of government), but not against thought.
Those who choose to hate this woman (or me or you, for that matter) have that right! What they don't have is the right to violently attack another except in defense against violence.
buster81
Regular Member
Well that was thoroughly sickening to watch. As sickening as the beating was, the lack of intervention by those watching for their own amusement is worse.
It was also discussed here, but with a different question asked
Over here http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?89568-McDonalds-Attack-Justification-or-Not it was discussed and the question was asked if the situation, had it taken place in Free America, warranted drawing your legally-carried handgun. It was also debated and disected at our regularly scheduled Saturday morning breakfast.
Just as folks in this thread seem eager to step in and get physical, there were a lot of armchair commandos making statements about not only drawing but firing their legally-caried handgun to "resolve" the situation.
I wonder how many here have done a small amount of research to discover what apparently/allegedly started the altercation? I also wonder how many who might have done that research went further to find out if transgendered persons are allowed or prohibited by law from using the bathroom designated for the sex they identify as being?
I also wonder why so many of the responses seem to go immediately to some sort of use-of-physical-force intervention? Given that there is what is known as the "use of force continuum" that begins with physical presence and (depending on which model you prefer) ends after several steps with the use of lethal force, it seems that many posters are unwilling to see if such tactics as physical presence and command voice will have any effect.
As a matter of fact the video shows that in the beginning physical presence and command voice were effective. It was, IMHO, the failue to follow through on separating the combatants, ecting the presumed instigators, and keeping them out that allowed the situation to progress and escalate. The second and third intervenors appeared to lack the conviction of their actions - in other words it did not appear they were willing to stand up against the two [supposed] attackers and thus their efforts were not sucessful.
Finally, I remain unaware as to whether or not anybody bothered to call the police. Once the combatants were separated advising them that the police had been summoned may have been sufficient incentive for the two [supposed] attackers to leave rather than continue their battery.
Without knowing the full facts of the situation it can be both physically and legally risky to intervene much beyond separating the combatants. Separating the combatants without the use of hands-on force would have been sufficient and allowed the police - presuming they had been summoned - to then investigate and resolve the situation without the intervenor getting seriously involved in the legal side of the matter.
All this is to say that we need to remember that in order to not become one of the defendants in a criminal case it is necessary to either know all the relevant facts or to limit your involvement to the least possible degree while still being able to stop the ongoing assault. Many of the responses seem to avoid that. It's something to think about.
stay safe.
Over here http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?89568-McDonalds-Attack-Justification-or-Not it was discussed and the question was asked if the situation, had it taken place in Free America, warranted drawing your legally-carried handgun. It was also debated and disected at our regularly scheduled Saturday morning breakfast.
Just as folks in this thread seem eager to step in and get physical, there were a lot of armchair commandos making statements about not only drawing but firing their legally-caried handgun to "resolve" the situation.
I wonder how many here have done a small amount of research to discover what apparently/allegedly started the altercation? I also wonder how many who might have done that research went further to find out if transgendered persons are allowed or prohibited by law from using the bathroom designated for the sex they identify as being?
I also wonder why so many of the responses seem to go immediately to some sort of use-of-physical-force intervention? Given that there is what is known as the "use of force continuum" that begins with physical presence and (depending on which model you prefer) ends after several steps with the use of lethal force, it seems that many posters are unwilling to see if such tactics as physical presence and command voice will have any effect.
As a matter of fact the video shows that in the beginning physical presence and command voice were effective. It was, IMHO, the failue to follow through on separating the combatants, ecting the presumed instigators, and keeping them out that allowed the situation to progress and escalate. The second and third intervenors appeared to lack the conviction of their actions - in other words it did not appear they were willing to stand up against the two [supposed] attackers and thus their efforts were not sucessful.
Finally, I remain unaware as to whether or not anybody bothered to call the police. Once the combatants were separated advising them that the police had been summoned may have been sufficient incentive for the two [supposed] attackers to leave rather than continue their battery.
Without knowing the full facts of the situation it can be both physically and legally risky to intervene much beyond separating the combatants. Separating the combatants without the use of hands-on force would have been sufficient and allowed the police - presuming they had been summoned - to then investigate and resolve the situation without the intervenor getting seriously involved in the legal side of the matter.
All this is to say that we need to remember that in order to not become one of the defendants in a criminal case it is necessary to either know all the relevant facts or to limit your involvement to the least possible degree while still being able to stop the ongoing assault. Many of the responses seem to avoid that. It's something to think about.
stay safe.
Ivan Sample
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irish52084
Regular Member
Who and what started the fight is not important, to me. Once the combatants get to the point of maliciously mauling someone for no defensive purposes it becomes time to step in.
They have already shown a willingness to be violent, there are 2 of them and they already refused requests to stop the attack. After that happens, I'm hands on with them. If I inserted myself into the older woman's place and they were to continue with their actions, I would have met them with my already described force. They give me no reason to believe lesser force is necessary.
I can't see this video being played in front of judge and jury, let alone potential prosecutor, and them telling me my force was not warranted. Maybe I'm being way too ignorant, but standing by and letting that beating continue is not acceptable to me.
GLOCK21GB
Campaign Veteran
You can bet that if it was 2-3 White girls doing the same thing to a Black girl it would be a hate crime !! It would also be aired on every TV station in the country & Jessie Jackson + Al Sharpton would be leading a Anti White protest rally , The Mindless Liberal Drones in Washington would be demanding tougher laws on Hate Crimes...
Yes this was VERY VIOLENT & A HATE CRIME..
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MKEgal
Regular Member
And then they went & showed exactly why they don't deserve any respect.SteyrAUG said:
I respect you a lot, but in this here I think you're way off base.skidmark said:
See below:
This ^^^^^irish52084 said:
I don't care if "she" is really a pre-op he who's in the "living as a woman for a year" phase of transition, or even a cross-dresser out for the afternoon.
I'm not going to waste time wondering about legalities, or who started it.
I'm going to encourage them to end it, right now, by not hitting each other again.
Let the police sort out the rest when they get there.
Hopefully I could accomplish that by simply stepping near the victim & saying "STOP".
People who are little enough to do this sort of thing would probably not push the issue beyond that with someone who was visibly armed, even if the citizen didn't touch the pistol.
Maybe it'd take putting a hand on the pistol in the holster.
Or (hopefully not) drawing & pointing it at the floor.
With only 2 assailants, in a public place like that, it shouldn't take more than that.
One thing I would not do, though it would be difficult, is that I would not try to give first aid to the victim. That would require taking my attention off the attackers, which could put me in danger. If they decide to run away, fine, then I'll help the victim more directly. Until then, or until the cops arrive, my eyes are on them.
The sort of vicious beating that happened here might be OK for someone caught molesting a child. Actually pants on the ground DNA exchanged caught in the act. And even then, I'd want someone alive to hand over to the cops. Let the even worse criminals in prison deal with him.
SteyrAUG
Regular Member
Don't wait for an argument from me. If it was my world I'd put all these rabid dogs our of our misery.
rickc1962
Regular Member
It does not matter if he is a she, or she is a he, or if whatever just wanted to get its jollies off, the first thing to have been done, should have been the Manager and multiple male employees to pull them apart and hold all three, while another employee called LE. If four or five men would have tried, they should have had no trouble restraining them.
I am not condoning the he/she's actions but a beat down like that was unnecessary. If my wife came out of a public restroom and said there was a cross dresser in there, I would do anything in my power to see him go to jail, starting with calling the police, telling him to stay there tell LE showed up, holding him there if I could, if not maybe following him, and at the least giving details on car and description, but no beat down, that's just wrong.
Now if anyone of the three were to use any kind of weapon, then that's a different story, and I would defend myself and anyone else in there even to the point of deadly force if need be.
But then that's why I don't go to cities unless absolutely necessary.
I am not condoning the he/she's actions but a beat down like that was unnecessary. If my wife came out of a public restroom and said there was a cross dresser in there, I would do anything in my power to see him go to jail, starting with calling the police, telling him to stay there tell LE showed up, holding him there if I could, if not maybe following him, and at the least giving details on car and description, but no beat down, that's just wrong.
Now if anyone of the three were to use any kind of weapon, then that's a different story, and I would defend myself and anyone else in there even to the point of deadly force if need be.
But then that's why I don't go to cities unless absolutely necessary.
Funny how when one side claims hate crime the other side turns around and tells them to stop whining about it, then those same people open their mouths and whine about the same thing.
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khicks
Regular Member
it is a hate crime
ROSEDALE, Md. - Baltimore County Police are still investigating the beating of the 22-year-old transgender woman that was caught on tape.
When police arrived at the scene of the McDonald's in the 6300 block of Kenwood Avenue when the woman appeared to be having a seizure.
http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/cr..._crime/woman-injured-after-mcdonald's-beating
ROSEDALE, Md. - Baltimore County Police are still investigating the beating of the 22-year-old transgender woman that was caught on tape.
When police arrived at the scene of the McDonald's in the 6300 block of Kenwood Avenue when the woman appeared to be having a seizure.
http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/cr..._crime/woman-injured-after-mcdonald's-beating
eye95
Well-known member
And I would respond just as I did. It is the ACTIONS that we should punish, not the THOUGHTS, even hateful ones.
SteyrAUG
Regular Member
Honestly, if it was two white kids beating up a Mexican tranny in the same fashion, I'd have exactly the same problem with it.
Personally I think hate crimes are horseshit. They are essentially "thought crimes" and have no place in a free country. Black racists are free to hate white people and jews, white people and jews are free to hate each other and black people. And if they commit a crime against one another then arrest them for that, doesn't matter what ****** up personal beliefs motivated their nonsense.
The real issue here isn't did Race A beat up Race B. The real issue here is a couple violent offenders who have no sense of reasonable force for a given situation and completely lack the social inhibitors possessed by a civilized person. And that is a problem regardless of a given skin pigment.
GLOCK21GB
Campaign Veteran
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Just because I hate Gang Bangers does not mean I am a Racist.... SO Yeah, I am a Racist for sure... I voted for Alan Keyes & donated money to his election camp during the last election..How many Black haters do you know that would do that ???
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