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    So, I went to the Madison fun show this weekend and walked by the WI Open Carry .org table a few times but what I heard was a lot of anti-Law Enforcement talk per OCing: cops are stupid, we sue them for their pensions and salary, etc., etc.. I did not hear any discussion on: How we can keep OC on the books. How can we promote the CCP legislation we want. Here's where/when we are meeting to work on these issues.
    So, I had a few questions stir up as I drove home: who made an anti-LEO platform our agenda? How does an anti-LEO agenda promote Open Carry for us? Why aren't we better educating officers about 2nd rights, rather than trying to slander them into the ground?

    I didn't join WI OC to make enemies with the cops, and I want to know who decided that they are our enemies and to use gun shows as the platform for saying so?

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    How unfortunate. My one experience with a gun show and WC,Inc booth was the exact opposite. protias was a complete professional all day. His knowledge is formidable.

    It's a volunteer position so I guess if you don't like what you see... you could volunteer to ensure it doesn't happen again?
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    I would have the same questions as I also tend to lean towards disagreeing with the "Anti-LEO" mentality of this group. What I do believe is that each individual encounter is different and should be handled based on any number of variables at the time.

    I do understand and agree as soon as the encounter starts turns "ugly", that is the time to cop the "LEO is the enemy" attitude. I also believe that greeting and dealing with a polite, smiling, (almost) friendly LEO with a polite, smiling, friendly attitude in return will go a lot farther than the "I know my rights and I'll be damned if your going to get ANY info from me" attitude.

    This issue was brought to my attention in my reporting of a (recent) encounter I had with a friendly LEO... by my friendly reaction to the LEO's polite attitude I actually ended up loading and holstering my sidearm in full view of the officer and proceeded into the grocery store with him telling my to have a good day as he drove away.

    Granted, most here said they I gave the LEO (WAY) too much info and that it was TOTALLY wrong to let him check my firearm to confirm that it was legally unloaded and cased in my vehicle per WI. law, but hey, I walked away with my pistol and without any future court dates...

    Finally, I will say this... I actually considered minimizing to an extreme my contact and participation here and at meets because of this fundamental disagreement in approach, but I realized that "to each his own" and why should I exclude myself from a cause I strongly believe in (Open Carry) just because I do not totally agree with someone else's views. As long as I am offered the ability to choose for myself how I handle any LEO encounters, am I not going anywhere...

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    I too walked past the booth a couple times. Bought a shirt.

    I didn't hear anything negative when I was there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    How unfortunate. My one experience with a gun show and WC,Inc booth was the exact opposite. protias was a complete professional all day. His knowledge is formidable.

    It's a volunteer position so I guess if you don't like what you see... you could volunteer to ensure it doesn't happen again?

    I think it is more than just a couple of volunteer's at a gun show... it IS the attitude of the majority of this group. In fact, protias was "on the side" of, that I did not handle my LEO encounter "right" and that "maybe next time I wiould do better"....and not give into the Leo's requests...

    Just sayin...

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    Edited to add: I just wanted to make it clear that my feelings on this question is not "Wisconsin" specific... I spend some time on the "Whats New" national section and the LEO is the enemy seems to be a nation wide platform.... maybe it comes from bad experiances or from being just that passonate about "legal" rights... I do not know....

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    Prone Em Flynn, when he essentially told the Attorney General to go to h## was the catalyst for much of the hard feelings toward LEOs on this board. Seeing former heads of the police chiefs union, err "professional association" getting an award from WAVE, appearing with them at anti-firearm rallies and the organization always testifying in favor of anti-firearm legislation doesn't help either.

    A lot this then flows downhill to the guy or gal on the street.
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    Having five cop cars come flying into a busy parking lot and then proning you out in said parking lot as their "tactical response" to your doing something perfectly legal may change your feelings and opinions. Most people's opinions weren't formed out of the blue. They were formed in response to the way they have been treated by the law enforcement community. Your opinion is favorable because you were treated decently. Most other people not so much. As said before it doesn't help that chiefs are standing hand in hand with the antis. That aspect really is odd because many law enforcement agencies in other states are very PRO carry and realize that they CAN'T be there to save people. Not to mention how many of those same officers love to carry concealed themselves yet have the nerve to try to stop anyone else from being able to do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outdoorsman1
    I think it is more than just a couple of volunteers at a gun show... it IS the attitude of the majority of this group.
    I spend some time on the "Whats New" national section and the LEO is the enemy seems to be a nation wide platform...
    Perhaps it's a widespread attitude because it's a widespread problem.
    I've said it elsewhere here on OCDO -
    - there's one cop I know & trust,
    - one whose forthrightness I respect (but don't know well enough to trust),
    - many whom I think are decent people (including some members here),
    - and the vast majority whom I know nothing about, and will assume they are neutral/ignorant of the law & my rights until they prove themselves to be either supportive or malicious. I will be polite as long as they are, but I won't consent to waiving my rights.
    Given what various members of law enforcement have done to me, both last July and this March, I think that's an incredibly tolerant attitude.

    As for the OP questions, I would hope that info at a display would be about evenly split between "join us, here's how" and "here's what we're doing and how you can help keep your rights".
    I dislike crowds & loud events, so have avoided volunteering, but I could do a couple hours some weekend, specifically to increase the "how to help" information dissemination. Heck, I'll make up a sheet to hand out showing how to find who your legislators are & their contact information.
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    Both guys had business cards out on the table, both were identified as elected officers in some fashion; V.P. and Secretary if I remember correctly. Perhaps they were the cards of somebody else?


    Hearing something positive vs. something negative is a matter of perspective; if you hate cops you were hearing a "positive" message at the Madison gun show.

    I'd like to know when the anti-LEO message became part of the mission statement, or part of the platform and/or agenda, and who decided that?

    I joined and bought a shirt last year, but anti-LEO was not the message then, but that's all I heard in the 4-5 loops I made around the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kawisixer01 View Post
    That aspect really is odd because many law enforcement agencies in other states are very PRO carry and realize that they CAN'T be there to save people. Not to mention how many of those same officers love to carry concealed themselves yet have the nerve to try to stop anyone else from being able to do it?
    I remember a post on here a month or two ago about a similar topic and we basically figured out the reason why police chiefs are anti-gun is because they are appointed by mayors, while sheriffs are pro-gun because they are elected by the people.

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    It doesn't help the LEO crowd much when videos like this come out on a nearly daily basis.
    "http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=605_1303583826"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdog251 View Post
    Both guys had business cards out on the table, both were identified as elected officers in some fashion; V.P. and Secretary if I remember correctly. Perhaps they were the cards of somebody else?


    Hearing something positive vs. something negative is a matter of perspective; if you hate cops you were hearing a "positive" message at the Madison gun show.

    I'd like to know when the anti-LEO message became part of the mission statement, or part of the platform and/or agenda, and who decided that?

    I joined and bought a shirt last year, but anti-LEO was not the message then, but that's all I heard in the 4-5 loops I made around the show.
    To clear it up; I don't have a problem with police officers. I have a problem with people who completely overstep their boundaries, regardless of their profession. Have I ever been been shook down by the fuzz while open carrying? Nope, but I'm still wary about them because I know that pretty much every district in every county in this state has had to be retrained on the concept that law-abiding citizens can openly carry a firearm. They'll hark and cry about how it makes their job more dangerous, but that's just unfounded nonsense. They flap their arms and puff out their chests and make an ordeal out of something that should just be a day-to-day affair. Then they get mad when people tell them they are, in fact, doing their job wrong, all the while trampling on the rights of the people they were sworn to protect.

    I respect what police actually do: They create an illusion of security and a deterrence effect, and they clean up the mess after the fact. Then they work on finding the mess maker. But no police officer has ever directly protected me, and I'm willing to wager that there are very few people on this board who they have. I don't have a cop walking laps around my house at night and escorting me around everywhere I go. If I did, I wouldn't need to carry a gun. But police officers aren't meant to be body guards, but they have the audacity to tell us not to protect ourselves?

    No, thank you. I don't much care for people who overstep their boundaries.

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    WCI does not have an anti-LEO mentality. It has an anti-abuse of authority mentality and and anti-ignorance mentality. Police who behave in a professional manner, and who recognize and stay withing the scope of their authority, are absolutely fine with WCI. This includes the great majority of police officers. It is hardly fair to say there is an anti-LEO mentality when it applies to the actions of a tiny portion of the profession. If someone spoke out against therapists who abuse patients, would it it be fair to call that an "anti-therapist mentality?" If we spoke out against wife beaters, would that be an "anti-male" or "anti-marriage" mentality? I don't think so!

    WCI has filed lawsuits only in response to the rare occasions when certain individual police, or police agencies, have clearly threatened or infringed rights. When one looks at the results in the courts and at the number of times prosecutors have prudently declined to prosecute weak charges, WCI has an excellent track record of getting involved only when it is on firm legal ground and defending important rights and principles.
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    As one of the many who has had lots of terrible experiences with law enforcement, I can say that this is a well founded belief. But I can also say that not all cops are the bad guys. This forum is generally a place for people with differing opinions, but we are not here to force those opinions on others. If we choose to discuss our beliefs in public, that should not be held against any one of us (and especially not the majority of us).

    I personally have had differing opinions that has caused heated discussions with people here on the forum as well as out in public. But those people still remain good friends of mine and I respect them for that.

    When people make statements like those that aggravated you, you need to understand that it is a personal belief, not a standard by which all others are measured. To make a statement that does not start with "Wisconsin Carry Inc. Believes" (or something to that effect) it should not be considered anything but personal opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdog251 View Post
    Both guys had business cards out on the table, both were identified as elected officers in some fashion; V.P. and Secretary if I remember correctly. Perhaps they were the cards of somebody else?


    Hearing something positive vs. something negative is a matter of perspective; if you hate cops you were hearing a "positive" message at the Madison gun show.

    I'd like to know when the anti-LEO message became part of the mission statement, or part of the platform and/or agenda, and who decided that?

    I joined and bought a shirt last year, but anti-LEO was not the message then, but that's all I heard in the 4-5 loops I made around the show.
    When I worked the table at the Franklin gun show, we handed out WCI business cards with Auric, Hubert and Nik's name on them I believe. Neither of them were at the show.

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    As one who has been on the receiving end of harassment from 6 LEOs (3 in a restaurant, and then 3 at my home the same day after 10 PM, several hours later from the first interaction), I am not anti-LEO. I am for them doing the job they've been hired to do. I am against abuse of their authority and harassing law abiding people (that includes people here on VISA, if they aren't doing anything illegal, leave them be).
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdog251 View Post
    So, I went to the Madison fun show this weekend and walked by the WI Open Carry .org table a few times but what I heard was a lot of anti-Law Enforcement talk per OCing: cops are stupid, we sue them for their pensions and salary, etc., etc.. I did not hear any discussion on: How we can keep OC on the books. How can we promote the CCP legislation we want. Here's where/when we are meeting to work on these issues.
    So, I had a few questions stir up as I drove home: who made an anti-LEO platform our agenda? How does an anti-LEO agenda promote Open Carry for us? Why aren't we better educating officers about 2nd rights, rather than trying to slander them into the ground?

    I didn't join WI OC to make enemies with the cops, and I want to know who decided that they are our enemies and to use gun shows as the platform for saying so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    As one who has been on the receiving end of harassment from 6 LEOs (3 in a restaurant, and then 3 at my home the same day after 10 PM, several hours later from the first interaction), I am not anti-LEO. I am for them doing the job they've been hired to do. I am against abuse of their authority and harassing law abiding people (that includes people here on VISA, if they aren't doing anything illegal, leave them be).
    i'm not anti-leo, i am just not for them, too many times over my life they have victimized me, to the point where i carry a gun to protect myself from the criminals, AND everybody.
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    There was...(and I guess there still is a little) a period in time
    where I had thoughts of becoming a LEO.

    I have a lot of respect for police officers....believe it or not.

    What I cant stand,and wont tolerate from ANY person, badge holder or not
    off duty or on duty is the mentality that they are better than me.

    I have had pleasant and some not so pleasant exchanges OC'in and while unarmed also.
    The unpleasant exchanges tend to be more easily remembered than the pleasant ones,but the pleasant ones do without a doubt outnumber the unpleasant ones.

    Armed or unarmed I am entitled to some very simple things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    I am not anti-LEO. I am for them doing the job they've been hired to do. I am against abuse of their authority and harassing law abiding people.
    This bears repeating. Can anybody disagree with this statement? I would like to add that if they do initiate force against an otherwise law abiding person, they are no different than a criminal IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    When I worked the table at the Franklin gun show, we handed out WCI business cards with Auric, Hubert and Nik's name on them I believe. Neither of them were at the show.

    IIRC, the cards were from Hubert (VP?) and Auric (Sec.or Treas.?). Why put business cards out on a business table, for the people who are NOT present and NOT speaking?

    I'm not asking for a debate, or for people's pro LEO vs. anti-LEO opinions.

    I'm simply asking about why the anti-LEO viewpoint was all I heard, AND if has to do with that anti- viewpoint being a matter of the mission statement, agenda, or politics?


    Plankton: I have been to the website, I know which orgs I am a member of, and the shirts they were selling are the same as what I bought with my membership.


    Folks, you can certainly express your opinions and stories all you want to, on a personal level.

    HOWEVER, when you have taken my membership money to help pay for a table at a gun show, and all I heard from these two guys was LEO bashing, guess what? You're done receiving my family's money and the shirt becomes a garage rag.

    It appears you are trolling for LEO trouble per OC issues in public, and using my membership monies for lawsuits, while further endangering the CC issue AND perhaps giving ammunition to get rid of open carry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithman View Post
    This bears repeating. Can anybody disagree with this statement? I would like to add that if they do initiate force against an otherwise law abiding person, they are no different than a criminal IMO.

    Sure, but what I heard at the gun show from these guys was on the verge of organizing a conspiracy against LEOs, and I'd testify to it in court.

    One of the pother vendors said he saw them walk in that morning with their guns already in holsters, under a coat. (ILLEGAL concealed carry) Now, if you feel a need to push a cop's law knowledge pertaining to concealed carry, excellent! Darwin is waiting for your case.

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    Sheepdog,
    Don't forget, you were in MADison, the home of progressive liberals and anti-gun sentiment and also where five of our members got jacked up by 5.0 That may have had a lot to do with the topic of conversation. I have had no bad experiences ever with LEO's but I understand and am much more educated about my rights since joining here. I actually asked the same questions upon joining at first, but came to realize it's only a few extreme opinions that were voicing themselves. I respect their opinions but wouldn't necessarily follow their advice. I hope you will reconsider your position about the matter. We all have to stick together these days.
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    Not t add fuel to the fire but I just saw this- http://www.lvrj.com/news/exclusive-p...Comments=y&c=y I guess having the name "Crooks" is enough to get your ass beat-lol.
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    As an organization, Wisconsin Carry supports GOOD law enforcement. We abhor when people's civil rights are violated by bad law enforcement.

    We go out of our way to recognize GOOD law enforcement:

    See:

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    I cannot speak to what conversation you overheard, I wasn't there.

    Unfortunately, over the past couple of years, the most egregious violations of people's rights came at the hands of law enforcement. Wisconsin Carry took action against that.

    Do we detest bad law enforcement. YES. Its one thing for people's rights to be violated by another private individual. Its even more disturbing for people's rights to be violated by people who wield the authority of government who are suppose to be PROTECTING rights not violating them.

    Will we speak passionately about our disgust with bad law enforcement. Yes.

    Does Wisconsin Carry believe that the way to address bad law enforcement is to pander to those who violate rights? No.

    Again, I wasn't there, I didn't hear the conversation. If you overheard a conversation in passing, perhaps you didn't hear it in its full context.

    That said, I can ASSURE you there is nothing Wisconsin Carry supports more than GOOD law enforcement.

    IF a WCI officer/board member was speaking negatively about GOOD law enforcement, TRUST ME, it won't happen again.

    If you are offended because we speak out against bad law enforcement, you will likely continue to be offended in the future.

    As far as our members, we do not tell them what to think or how to think. Our members speak for themselves.

    If you ever find an example where we use our funds to file lawsuits against "good" law enforcement please bring it to my attention.

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