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    Seeds of tyranny?


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    Sickening, truly sickening.
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    Dirty rotten bastards.
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    Why would you think they would release that info. The government tell us the truth? HA! Not in my life time.

    I hope they do, but I am not holding my breath.
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    The biggest telling thing is that when Grassley and Issa started asking questions and asking for documents relating to this the Assistant Attorney General, NOT the head of the ATF, responded and told them they couldn't hand anything over because it might "compromise" ongoing cases. So why is the DOJ and not the ATF responding to requests from Grassley and Issa
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    Bigger questions. Why isn't this a top story in media, including Fox news. Why isn't that old billy goat rino McCain on the weekend national news show shows ranting about this? It happened in the state he represents. He's willing to have Americans to die in Libya for no American national interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    Bigger questions. Why isn't this a top story in media, including Fox news.
    Fox News actually did a couple of reports on it but CBS of all news media did a pretty damning report on it. Here is a thread with a link to the CBS report.

    http://www.forum.opencarry.org/forum...er-quot-fiasco
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    Issa Threatens to Begin Contempt Proceedings Against ATF Official

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    * By Anna Palmer
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    * April 20, 2011, 11:49 a.m.



    House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa is turning up the heat on the Obama administration after officials declined to comply with a document subpoena. In a letter Wednesday, the California Republican publicly threatened to begin contempt proceedings against Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives acting Director Kenneth Melson if he does not obey the March 31 subpoena.

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    "Efforts by the Department of Justice and ATF to stonewall the Committee in its investigation by erroneously, but matter-of-factly, citing an internal department policy as a preventative measure for denying access to documents have only enhanced suspicions that such officials have played a role in reckless decisions that have put lives at risk,” Issa wrote. “The Committee continues to pursue this matter vigorously, in part, because concerned individuals have indicated they do not have confidence in the Department’s ability to review the actions of its own top officials.”
    Congress has been met with nothing but contempt by the White House, the "Justice" Dept, and the ATF.

    So the only answer to the OP's question would be a resounding N-O. The current administration is NOT sowing the seeds of tyranny.

    The current administration already has a full on GARDEN of tyranny going strong. It is in full bloom with rock sculptures, water features, neatly trimmed shrubbery.... and dancing fairies burning paper lanterns full of tax payer money. Gotta keep the Tyranny Garden well lit so Holder doesn't stub his toe while literally f***ing the Constitution. And by Constitution I mean the actual original document and not some gift shop knock off.



    Time to break out the tar and feather gents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
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    Congress has been met with nothing but contempt by the White House, the "Justice" Dept, and the ATF.

    So the only answer to the OP's question would be a resounding N-O. The current administration is NOT sowing the seeds of tyranny.

    The current administration already has a full on GARDEN of tyranny going strong. It is in full bloom with rock sculptures, water features, neatly trimmed shrubbery.... and dancing fairies burning paper lanterns full of tax payer money. Gotta keep the Tyranny Garden well lit so Holder doesn't stub his toe while literally f***ing the Constitution. And by Constitution I mean the actual original document and not some gift shop knock off.



    Time to break out the tar and feather gents.
    What he said.

    Congress is irrelevant, the Executive branch has the ability to completely circumvent the will of the people and the Judiciary is only too happy to help them along. Democracy and the Republic went bye-bye long ago.
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    In the words of the JPFO, BOOT THE BATF!

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    ATF Boss Threatened with Contempt Charge

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    Written by Alex Newman
    Wednesday, 27 April 2011 10:22

    {Here are some juicy bits}

    "If you do not comply with the subpoena, the Committee will be forced to commence contempt proceedings," Rep. Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, wrote in a letter to Melson last week after the Bureau missed an April 13 deadline to hand over the documents.

    Citing Supreme Court decisions and precedents in other investigations, Rep. Issa noted in his most recent letter that Congress was legally entitled to the information it was requesting. “As a co-equal branch of government, Congress has a right, even a constitutional obligation, to conduct oversight of the Executive Branch, including the Department of Justice,” he said. Plus, there is “no constitutional, statutory, or case law authority” that would allow the department to withhold evidence using the excuses it is citing.

    The Obama administration insists that the controversial program was supposed to keep track of the weapons in an effort to bust gun smuggling networks. But allegations appearing in recent weeks claim that officials may have deliberately allowed the guns to end up with criminals in an effort to demonize the Second Amendment and impose further restrictions on Americans’ right to keep and bear arms.

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    Cut their funding and disband them. In their 39 year history this is THE BIGGEST fk up they have ever done. And the fact that a Border Patrol Agent and ICE Agent were killed this won't be going away any time soon.
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    Question Treason?

    I wonder what have happened if we would have sent guns to the North koreans? I believe the the fool in charge here should be behind bars !!!

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    I agree, but he just released his birth certificate. So that makes it okay for him to be a tyrant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    I agree, but he just released his birth certificate. So that makes it okay for him to be a tyrant.
    i did not know they gave monkeys birth certificates LOL

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    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
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    Quote Originally Posted by smithman View Post
    In the words of the JPFO, BOOT THE BATF!
    Along with the EPA and every other agency that makes up rules and regs without congressional approval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomm1963 View Post
    Along with the EPA and every other agency that makes up rules and regs without congressional approval.
    you know there is only ONE way to repair these tyrannical problems....RESET
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    Issa is getting closer and closer!

    And the pimp daddy of lies Holder is still in full on denial mode. And I thought Obummer could lie! This is better than a Soap Opera. I am really enjoying watching Holder hang himself.

    One document indicates a Holder Asst. Attorney General, Lanny Breuer, authorized a wiretap in the controversial gun trafficking case headquartered in Phoenix.
    Continue reading on Examiner.com: BREAKING: CBS News obtains document linking asst. AG to ‘Gunrunner’ - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...#ixzz1LdK0bssR
    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    And the pimp daddy of lies Holder is still in full on denial mode. And I thought Obummer could lie! This is better than a Soap Opera. I am really enjoying watching Holder hang himself.



    Continue reading on Examiner.com: BREAKING: CBS News obtains document linking asst. AG to ‘Gunrunner’ - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...#ixzz1LdK0bssR
    Good. Now tighten the noose.
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