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    Open carry after dark

    I live in VA and was wondering if there are any laws prohibiting me from open carrying after dark

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    Gun laws aren't like beginners drivers licenses, theres no time restrictions.

    If you can legally open carry, you may do so day or night, doesn't matter.
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    Neither Virginia nor West Virginia laws pertaining to the carry of firearms are dependent on the position of the sun - never heard that one before.

    Neither have I heard of but a few posters claiming to live in two different places - please explain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    At night, isn't the gun concealed by darkness?
    Carry On.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    At night, isn't the gun concealed by darkness?



    LOL

    Is it concealed when you are walking all by yourself and noone else around see's it?
    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 04-27-2011 at 04:35 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    But....

    If you are OCing and go get a haircut and you "allow" the barber to throw the plastic ponch over you and it covers your firearm.. you are now CCing. That's different that sitting in a chair next to a wall... or bein in the dark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    But....

    If you are OCing and go get a haircut and you "allow" the barber to throw the plastic ponch over you and it covers your firearm.. you are now CCing. That's different that sitting in a chair next to a wall... or bein in the dark.
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    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    Is it concealed when you are walking all by yourself and noone else around see's it?
    Only if you're walking in a forest and a tree falls on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by architect View Post
    Only if you're walking in a forest and a tree falls on you.
    If I gun is strapped to your hip and no antis yell at you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    But....

    If you are OCing and go get a haircut and you "allow" the barber to throw the plastic ponch over you and it covers your firearm.. you are now CCing. That's different that sitting in a chair next to a wall... or bein in the dark.
    Don't you utilize the "Virginia Tuck" in the barber shop?

    I can understand not wanting to make your barber nervous though, especially when he is shaving your neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Don't you utilize the "Virginia Tuck" in the barber shop?
    Doesnt matter.. if he drapes you while you have an OWB holster or an IWB/Virginia Tuck.. and it covers it.. you are concealed. Which holster does this guy have?
    Last edited by ed; 04-27-2011 at 09:51 PM. Reason: pic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Don't you utilize the "Virginia Tuck" in the barber shop?

    I can understand not wanting to make your barber nervous though, especially when he is shaving your neck.
    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    Doesnt matter.. if he drapes you while you have an OWB holster or an IWB/Virginia Tuck.. and it covers it.. you are concealed.
    No, no - I was referring to tucking the barber's sheet covering beneath your OWB holster- only tucked from the front, rather than the rear.
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    Wait.... what about the "seated against the wall argument"?

    You know, it's not CC just because your strong-side is against the wall of a booth at a restaurant...

    There could be someone under the barber poncho and they could... uh.... see it...

    Your gun....

    In the... holster...


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    Quote Originally Posted by AbNo View Post
    There could be someone under the barber poncho and they could...

    Only if she is good looking

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbNo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AbNo View Post
    Wait.... what about the "seated against the wall argument"?

    You know, it's not CC just because your strong-side is against the wall of a booth at a restaurant...

    There could be someone under the barber poncho and they could... uh.... see it...

    Your gun....

    In the... holster...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    Only if she is good looking
    ..... ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
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    I meant it more in jest hope you did not take offense to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    I meant it more in jest hope you did not take offense to it
    No offense taken here.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    I meant it more in jest hope you did not take offense to it
    I can't speak for Grape but I thought it was funny as hell...Oh wait a minute, I was accused of being sexist the other day...

    So, I thought it was demeaning to women and displays a caveman type attitude and I was offended

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    I meant it more in jest hope you did not take offense to it
    Personally I seldom take offense at anything.

    The question or limitation as it were occurs here on OCDO when we consider that women and children (not members of the good ol' boys hunt club) also peruse these forums along with politicians, media and antis. Consequentially sexual content or innuendo is much discouraged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Personally I seldom take offense at anything.

    The question or limitation as it were occurs here on OCDO when we consider that women and children (not members of the good ol' boys hunt club) also peruse these forums along with politicians, media and antis. Consequentially sexual content or innuendo is much discouraged.
    Sorry and I understand I will watch myself from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    Doesnt matter.. if he drapes you while you have an OWB holster or an IWB/Virginia Tuck.. and it covers it.. you are concealed. Which holster does this guy have?
    Back on topic... it would make for a very interesting court case. The carrier could argue that he or she (if women go to barbers?) did not conceal it, but the barber did, and that the barber certainly would have known it was there before they covered it up, as would any other customers or barbers in the shop when the carrier first came in.

    The only people who could really argue that it was "concealed from them" would be anyone who came into the shop subsequent to the act of covering at the beginning of the haircut.

    In this context, it very much lines up with the "sitting against the wall in a booth" idea, which we have almost universally argued is "not concealed", even though it is equally out of sight.

    The question, "Which holster does this guy have?" is equally unanswerable for the carrier sitting in a booth against the wall. Under normal circumstances, both carriers would resume an "unconcealed" stance as soon as they got up from the chair in which they were sitting. I can't ever remember getting out of a barber's chair with the cover still on.

    As always, nobody wants to be the test case, but it would be a very interesting case indeed.

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    OC and Barber Sheets

    At first this might sound facetious, but not when you think about it.

    Perhaps OC-friendly barber shops could invest in clear plastic barber sheets, leaving the sidearm "commonly visible" while the customer is in the chair.

    Problem solved!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by USNA69 View Post
    At first this might sound facetious, but not when you think about it.

    Perhaps OC-friendly barber shops could invest in clear plastic barber sheets, leaving the sidearm "commonly visible" while the customer is in the chair.

    Problem solved!!!
    I can see it now with a "window" like many sails on boats.


    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    I can see it now with a "window" like many sails on boats.


    I was considering a line of outerwear for OCers, which would have a clear panel sewn in to keep the sidearm "commonly visible". I have read of grumbling OCers when winter comes, and they must wear a coat.

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