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    WSP called about 2A Rally

    I got a call from the WSP today wanting some info on the 2A Rally. To make a long story short, we're asking ALL that want to carry a long gun to please do the following:
    muzzle down
    no mag/clip
    action open
    I'm only the messenger, so let's leave it at that.

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    Ok,I will be the first to bite,

    In my humble opinion, the WSP can not stop people from carrying, but they want to dictate how you carry. If you are not proficient with the "long gun" or any gun for that matter, then you should not carry it. Wish I could be there on the 30th.
    A gun that is not loaded or cocked is not much use. I heard that somewhere.
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    Rally

    I will be easy to identify: AK-47 muzzle up 30 round magazine one in the chamber and all black with folding stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fetch View Post
    In my humble opinion, the WSP can not stop people from carrying, but they want to dictate how you carry. If you are not proficient with the "long gun" or any gun for that matter, then you should not carry it. Wish I could be there on the 30th.
    A gun that is not loaded or cocked is not much use. I heard that somewhere.
    Squeak, you should have seen the Parade of Donuts go by! Mmmm good!
    Why would you carry a loaded long gun? What is the purpose?

    Long guns are an 'offensive weapon' and having them loaded is an offensive move.

    In addition, a long gun is not put in a holster and left alone. It is handled far more frequently than a holstered handgun. Even on a sling it is put on when leaving and entering a vehicle (as well as loaded/chambered as it is against the law to have a loaded long gun in a vehicle), it is often adjusted multiple times when walking, sitting, standing, etc... Long guns that are loaded pose a special concern to OCDO forum members, the general public and the WSP in a large group setting. It has been requested by the 2A Rally organizers and the WSP that they be carried in a particular way (unloaded and muzzle down). I will honor that request and I would sincerely ask that you show the same respect and do the same.
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    Great!!!!

    i really dont want to say some things,,,,
    if i carry my antique muzzle loader "that is not classified as a fire arm"
    how can i open the action?

    if i carry it upside down, my muzzle flag will be upside down "indicating distress"
    ill stop typing now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    i really dont want to say some things,,,,
    if i carry my antique muzzle loader "that is not classified as a fire arm"
    how can i open the action?

    if i carry it upside down, my muzzle flag will be upside down "indicating distress"
    ill stop typing now...
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    I think others should look at your Avatar (picture from last years rally) and take note. You led by example...
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    When the WSP offers to clean and relube my rifle (for free) then I will MAYBE think about leaving my action opened and no mag inserted.


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    I think it is super awesome they contacted you to let you know what the new rules to abide by would be. This way there is no trouble whether even if you are legal with a long arm. After all the laws are only there as a guidline, it is definitly handier when they let us know what they want us to follow. Just like when you leave a firearm at a court house. with out them telling us, we would just think that by reading the law there should be a lock box, or someone to take our firearm without id and give it back to us in the same condition we gave it to them. But they are nice enough to let us know, that we need id and will get it back unloaded. We have to be sure to abide by what they ask, not what the law is...
    Last edited by amzbrady; 04-26-2011 at 02:02 AM. Reason: Edited to clarify I'm not jonesen on Squeek, he is just the messenger.
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    Hey you watch it, bradyhead!!!!

    You better call ahead before you OC too, to make sure its OK!


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenIsFaster View Post
    Hey you watch it, bradyhead!!!!

    You better call ahead before you OC too, to make sure its OK!
    HEY, HEY, HEY...
    Isnt it past your bedtime...

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    Come on folks, It is a REQUEST...can we not be polite and even consider it?

    Yes, you can legally carry a loaded cocked exposed hammer 10 ga shotgun with a 2 lb trigger into a large gathering in a public park, but is it safe and intelligent to do so?

    The 2A ralley is to score points for our position, not cause problems...think about it. Do you want to look equally stupid as those unruly "protestors" that demonstrate against the 2A? or do you wnat to be seen as resonsible citizens?

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    Brady, you should check out your boys in blue in Tampa.

    They put the whupass on an OCer telling him this ain't the wild west.

    Latest episode of cops on hulu.

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/235302/cop...ast#s-p1-so-i0

    Edited to add:

    2nd segment, after that I couldn't even finish the rest of the episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenIsFaster View Post
    Brady, you should check out your boys in blue in Tampa.

    They put the whupass on an OCer telling him this ain't the wild west.

    Latest episode of cops on hulu.

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/235302/cop...ast#s-p1-so-i0

    Edited to add:

    2nd segment, after that I couldn't even finish the rest of the episode.

    Thank you, I am now ashamed of my race.I am now trying to figure out how to declassify him as a white caucasion male.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Come on folks, It is a REQUEST...can we not be polite and even consider it?

    Yes, you can legally carry a loaded cocked exposed hammer 10 ga shotgun with a 2 lb trigger into a large gathering in a public park, but is it safe and intelligent to do so?

    The 2A ralley is to score points for our position, not cause problems...think about it. Do you want to look equally stupid as those unruly "protestors" that demonstrate against the 2A? or do you wnat to be seen as resonsible citizens?
    You are absolutly right, just like a request for ID when you are not being detained or arrested. You should just show it as a polite consideration. After all there are only certain parts of the 2A that apply to us, we dont need all of it. Only people who use the 2A for a firearm that can be neatly packed in a holster should be allowed to attend carrying as they wish. All longarms should have stricter regulations than what are already in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Thank you, I am now ashamed of my race.I am now trying to figure out how to declassify him as a white caucasion male.

    When was this ever about race????

    I'm disgusted by the cops taking advantage of that nice guy. I wish he was a bit more knowledgeable and didn't bend over to the cops though....

    Sucks to live in Tampa next to suspicious neighbors with annoying ass dogs. Can't do nuffin about it, just go back in your house put away your damn gun and shut up!


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    Let the WSP make any requests that they wish. They know the law and we know the law. All who choose to carry at the rally must decide where their safety limits exist. Given the broad nature of the rally (not limited to self defense) I will support the presence of long arms, but personally agree that their loaded carry is unnecessary. The request for barrels down, open actions and no magazines is just feel good Kalifornia-ism. how about some zip ties as a finishing touch.

    Last year all who carried (even Bob) came across as responsible citizens. Even the couple with ARs playing Frizbee with their dog were well received. They didn't ask us to leave the Frizbees at home, did they?

    BTW Squeak... Thanks for fielding their call and all your efforts. I'm pretty pumped about this year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenIsFaster View Post
    Brady, you should check out your boys in blue in Tampa.

    They put the whupass on an OCer telling him this ain't the wild west.

    Latest episode of cops on hulu.

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/235302/cop...ast#s-p1-so-i0

    Edited to add:

    2nd segment, after that I couldn't even finish the rest of the episode.
    That guy looked to be either drunk, high, or just plain stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tannerwaterbury View Post
    That guy looked to be either drunk, high, or just plain stupid.
    Think it was a fail on all parties involved.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Why would you carry a loaded long gun? What is the purpose?

    Long guns are an 'offensive weapon' and having them loaded is an offensive move.
    Well since they are offensive weapons, we should just ban them outright. I mean, seriously, who needs more than a pistol in their home?
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    Heck, ever since this one has been planned I've been planning for my FAL to be a flag holder. Muzzle up (i.e. perfectly vertical), action open, 1/4" dowel sticking 3 feet out with flags on it. No way anyone would be swept, otherwise they'd end up with a wooden dowel in their face! Yes, I realize it means standing the whole time, lugging the weight of that rifle on one shoulder. No putting it down, no shifting it. If it really gets to me, worst case scenario is I walk back to my vehicle and put it away. I've been out on 3+ mile hiking trips where I've carried a rifle in case of a bear or something, so I know how heavy it can get after such a short distance (compared to others who have hiked far longer). I'd still love to go through with my idea, it's something I've had the materials for and means of doing for a while. I'd hate to see that effort go to waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenIsFaster View Post
    When was this ever about race????

    I'm disgusted by the cops taking advantage of that nice guy. I wish he was a bit more knowledgeable and didn't bend over to the cops though....

    Sucks to live in Tampa next to suspicious neighbors with annoying ass dogs. Can't do nuffin about it, just go back in your house put away your damn gun and shut up!
    I just said race as sarcasm, because as a caucasion male, he needs to grow a pair. He should be ashamed the way he opologized because he had pesonal protection on while by himself amongst 3 others from next door, then to opologized to the other guys girlfriend after being told to by the guy whose dogs were barking after hours. Isnt that what noise ordinances are for? He needs to stop acting like a vagina. He bent over and took it from the cops and the nieghbor. I'd put money on it that they both laughed at him afterwards.
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    We are still stuck with this phrase in the law

    in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

    Be as bold as your tolerance for inconvenience will allow.

    The WSP is probably the most reasonable of Police Forces in the State and when they make a request like this I would believe that they are only concerned with safety, not deprivation of anyone's rights.
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    Bill and I were out yesterday and I had a message on my phone from WSP.That must be what it is about.I would expect OPEN CARRY, being that it is us initiallizing this rally to set the example.Last thing we need is an accidental disharge some inexperienced idiot figoting with his weapon. Anyone being seen handling a weapon will be asked to leave.I believe also WSP is concerned with saftety not deprivation of rights.They told me last year they never have a problem with us and we were an example.
    I believe long guns are exceptable in light of the nature of this rally however loaded is jst trying to show off.

    So ,unloaded, muzzle down action open.
    if you must carry your long gun.Bob Put the flag in the Barrel like last year ,that was cool!
    Your'e guns never work anyway :0P

    Here is a good example from last years rally.
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    I just minutes ago talked again with the Officer and he just reiterated that he's isn't concerned with us and will be taking the day off with is family. I also reissured the grounds will be left spotless at the end of this event as it was last year.
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    Well since they are offensive weapons, we should just ban them outright. I mean, seriously
    My exwifes mouth was an offensive weapon. It got her in trouble every time she used it.
    I think every weapon is for offense, and likewise everything as a weapon. I agree, the issue is safety. We should be prudent and set an example.

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