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    Open carrying Fishing, March/Protest Event..

    I want to get a open carry fishing march/protest event going and I need to know if open carry "fishing" applies to any and all fishing, lakes/ponds/oceans/rivers etc.. or only at certain places? and if any Open carriers want to get involved. This will/would be an all Weekend or longer event if possible and maybe multiple Events with people walking up and down roads in very well populated area open carrying their 2nd amendment right there in the open. Everybody will be walking back and forth to the Fishing area and back to their vehicle all day and night if possible. We need to show these jackasses that we are here and want open carry in this state and won't stop until we get it passed. or they get tired of hearing about us. We can get the Media involved nation wide as well. This is a great protest that can NOT be stopped.
    Get this going in every City in this state, Think about it we still could win with this publicity.

    Walk with sign that state we want our Second amendment Right and we will NOT stop until you comply.
    Show them that they DID NOT win.................... yet.
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    Another form of protest might also be to NOT carry your CFL or either. FS 790.06 (1) states:

    "The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. Violations of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25, payable to the clerk of the court."

    So what exactly is a "noncriminal violation"? Is that the same as a "civil" violation? If there's nothing criminal about it, police shouldn't be able to use it as a way to detain you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timf343 View Post
    Another form of protest might also be to NOT carry your CFL or either. FS 790.06 (1) states:

    "The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. Violations of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25, payable to the clerk of the court."

    So what exactly is a "noncriminal violation"? Is that the same as a "civil" violation? If there's nothing criminal about it, police shouldn't be able to use it as a way to detain you.
    I would not risk loosing my CCW license on such a act, It would just give the state more money to throw towards hindering and making more idiotic laws that are designed to hurt and restrict us.. I would suggest making or having made some magnetic signs and hang them on the your vehicles stating that the states law makers have once again restricted or taken away some of the rights of the citizens of the state... But be prepared to be hassled by the LEO if they realize what you are taking about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by timf343 View Post
    Another form of protest might also be to NOT carry your CFL or either. FS 790.06 (1) states:

    "The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. Violations of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25, payable to the clerk of the court."

    So what exactly is a "noncriminal violation"? Is that the same as a "civil" violation? If there's nothing criminal about it, police shouldn't be able to use it as a way to detain you.
    This is about open carry "Constitutional and/or permitted carry", This will be an act towards Constitutional Carry because nobody will be carrying a License nor do they have to under state law.
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    Does this mean we can open carry with a "Ron Popeil Pocket Fisherman" in our pocket? Better yet, a "hand line with a little jig"! "I'm lookin' for a place to fish officer." I can almost hear the cuffs snap closed!

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    This is the main reason we will never get open carry "permitted or otherwise". Nobody is willing to give up their free time for their FREEDOM, or to do anything to show this is what we want, They never stand up for their freedoms. But they will sit around and bitch that the government is taking all of their rights and this and that. HOW PATHETIC.
    So why bitch about it? AMERICAN's ARE FREAKING PATHETIC and LAZY. and are losing this country for one reason. THEMSELVES.
    So now, text back at me from your comfortable computer chair and tell me that i'm ignorant or my typing skill's suck or that you want to do something but i'm scared, I work to many hour, I'm broke or but but but. i i i, we we we
    again PATHETIC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick H View Post
    This is the main reason we will never get open carry "permitted or otherwise". Nobody is willing to give up their free time for their FREEDOM, or to do anything to show this is what we want, They never stand up for their freedoms. But they will sit around and bitch that the government is taking all of their rights and this and that. HOW PATHETIC.
    So why bitch about it? AMERICAN's ARE FREAKING PATHETIC and LAZY. and are losing this country for one reason. THEMSELVES.
    So now, text back at me from your comfortable computer chair and tell me that i'm ignorant or my typing skill's suck or that you want to do something but i'm scared, I work to many hour, I'm broke or but but but. i i i, we we we
    again PATHETIC.
    I will come to an OC fish event. Don't know how to fish but I'll come and stick a pole in the water. I'm in Marion County.

    What did you have planned? The Restrictions on OC really limit us. The "Luger" holster option needs to be further considered.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    I will come to an OC fish event. Don't know how to fish but I'll come and stick a pole in the water. I'm in Marion County.

    What did you have planned? The Restrictions on OC really limit us. The "Luger" holster option needs to be further considered.
    Thats all it will take. Once you put the line and hook into the water you are fishing and then you can go home.
    But the problem is, we need to get a lot of people in all the counties to do this in order to make the statement and show the protest, and keep doing this over and over.
    It's main point is that we will be walking up and down the streets carrying openly without a license and our pole will have picket signs. showing that nobody is getting shot, nobody is have a shootout in the middle of the town's etc.
    Also I suggested something like the luger holster in another post and I think Stoogie said I would probably get arrested
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    What is the "Luger Holster" option?
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    This will also show these jass acks they didn't win all the way, because we are still allowed to open carry.
    Also this would bring National Attention to our cause "constitutional right"
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    Quote Originally Posted by FzSBLACKMAGICK View Post
    What is the "Luger Holster" option?

    And I am buying one and I am going to wear it in open.
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    As I read the law, The luger holster option is completely legal. It may get you arrested. But it will not get you indicted. I think it has potentiial. Serious potential.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FzSBLACKMAGICK View Post
    What is the "Luger Holster" option?


    Since this type holster completely covers the pistol, it is concealed. Concealed carry is allowed by our overlords. Therefore, if we carry our pistols in a holster of this type, we are in compliance with the laws of our masters.
    If this be Treason, then make the most of it. Patrick Henry, May 1765

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    Hmmmm...wonder if it would hold a Glock 27 maybe with some modification?

    Isn't that what the SS used to use?
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    Section 790.06 (1), Florida Statutes, defines concealed weapons or firearms as those carried in a manner that conceals them from the ordinary sight of another person. This includes:

    handguns
    electronic weapons or devices
    tear gas guns
    knives
    billies
    This says nowhere about the holster of such item
    http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/about.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by FzSBLACKMAGICK View Post
    Hmmmm...wonder if it would hold a Glock 27 maybe with some modification?

    Isn't that what the SS used to use?
    You can go to any leather shop and have one made for your gun in mind, also with all the bells and whistle too.
    I'm thinking about a low leg holster but made with the nylon style material
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    If this works

    If this works I might even start a business of such.
    Custom opencarry/concealed holsters. Huuuummmmmm
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    I already do leatherwork and have fun making holsters. I think it's an awesome idea, but won't personally partake in providing such with this intent until I've seen it tested and supported legally.
    And BTW, Yes, that is exactly what the germans used, for lugers earlier on, and something very similar for PPKs later. Italians used an almost identical version for their officer issue m1934s. You can still find both on gunbroker.com fairly commonly if you want something with class and history. Careful though, some of those let the bottom of the grip show out the side, which would get you for 'flashing' or other exposure.

    This said. I HAVE been thinking of making something in the same vein of thought...
    Something non-gun-shaped... not a packing-fanny-pack, but a small leather container(holster?), square/rectangular, only just large enough to hold the gun and a spare magazine, with loops/structure inside to hold the gun securely, and just a simple flap with perhaps a snap/velcro closure.

    Sure it's not something you see everyday, but a small leather beltpouch on your hip surely wouldn't justify "reasonable suspicion"?
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    The Legislative branch's job is to progressively destroy our freedoms for the "safety" of "We the Sheeple."
    The Judicial branch's job is to look like they're defending our freedoms against the abuses of the Legislative branch, only by token gestures that do not interfere is this pivotal process, but enough to deceive "We the People" into a false sense of security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~*'Phoenix'*~ View Post
    I already do leatherwork and have fun making holsters. I think it's an awesome idea, but won't personally partake in providing such with this intent until I've seen it tested and supported legally.
    And BTW, Yes, that is exactly what the germans used, for lugers earlier on, and something very similar for PPKs later. Italians used an almost identical version for their officer issue m1934s. You can still find both on gunbroker.com fairly commonly if you want something with class and history. Careful though, some of those let the bottom of the grip show out the side, which would get you for 'flashing' or other exposure.

    This said. I HAVE been thinking of making something in the same vein of thought...
    Something non-gun-shaped... not a packing-fanny-pack, but a small leather container(holster?), square/rectangular, only just large enough to hold the gun and a spare magazine, with loops/structure inside to hold the gun securely, and just a simple flap with perhaps a snap/velcro closure.

    Sure it's not something you see everyday, but a small leather beltpouch on your hip surely wouldn't justify "reasonable suspicion"?
    I do believe that his is 100% legal because shape has nothing to do with anything, Women carry purses and they are not in violation so this would and could be construed as the same.
    It is a concealed compartment extended to ones body. Making it legal
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    Indeed.

    If you carried a gun in a luger holster wrapped around your shoulder like a satchel or purse it wouldn't get any attention.

    IT'S BECAUSE IT'S ON YOUR HIP THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW.
    Last edited by 77zach; 04-28-2011 at 03:57 PM.
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Indeed.

    If you carried a gun in a luger holster wrapped around your shoulder like a satchel or purse it wouldn't get any attention.

    IT'S BECAUSE IT'S ON YOUR HIP THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW.
    Know what that there "Might" be a gun in it. that would go for any purse, back pack, satchel, Fanny pack, Etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick H View Post
    Know what that there "Might" be a gun in it. that would go for any purse, back pack, satchel, Fanny pack, Etc...
    printing is legal in Florida, right?

    This is airtight.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    printing is legal in Florida, right?

    This is airtight.
    I'm willing
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    printing is legal in Florida, right?

    This is airtight.
    The shape is irrelevant.
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    I think you need to have a fishing lisc? Don't forget that one folks! I think the way the law is written, you can OC with your fishing lisc and not need the concealed weapons lisc. Of course you do need to look like you are seriously going fishing- rod/reel/bait etc.

    There are probably different fishing lisc's too, like freshwater, saltwater, alligator LOL, I dunno, but you better look up the fishing laws.

    I have a pattern for a flap holster for the luger. It includes a pattern to carve and tool an acorn oak leaf motif. THAT would get attention. Of course in my quest for "most annoying", I want to come up with a poison ivy design for leather holsters.

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