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    Wal-mart to sell guns again in more stores

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    Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is quietly bringing back rifles, shotguns and ammunition to hundreds of U.S. stores as the hurting retail giant seeks to reinvigorate its one-stop shopping appeal and attract more male customers.
    The world's largest retailer stopped selling hunting rifles and bullets at all but a third of its U.S. stores five years ago, citing diminishing sales. It is now restoring them to hundreds of locations, bringing the total to nearly half of its more than 3,600 U.S. namesake stores, as part of a larger push to restore "heritage categories" of merchandise such as fishing rods and bolts of sewing fabric that it removed in an attempt to go upscale that backfired.
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    My local Wally World has never stopped selling rifles and shotguns. Guess it's because I live in the redneck state of Louisiana

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    Read the article. About a third of Wal-Marts sell guns now, they will up it to over 50% soon. Most will be in rural areas, but will have some in urban areas as well as demand dictates. It does mention Wal-Marts alliance with Mayors against guns crap.
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    The Walmart close to me has always sold firearms. However their stock of ammunition is starting to look better. They have 3-4 selections in most pistol calibers in FMJ and starting to see JHP too.

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    They never stopped selling guns -- including handguns -- in Alaska.

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    No thanks ill keep supporting small business, Walmart is a greedy corporation

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    Quote Originally Posted by denni View Post
    No thanks ill keep supporting small business, Walmart is a greedy corporation
    While it's true that Walmart is concerned with nothing at all more than profit, and will burn bridges with anyone for any reason as long as it makes them money, and I too hate the place, it's still an important sign of the times.
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    I bought my first four or five rifles from Walmart, I even special ordered my Mini-14 from them. They always had great prices. Hope guns come back to my local stores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denni View Post
    No thanks ill keep supporting small business, Walmart is a greedy corporation
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    Though I understand some people cant afford to shop at smaller(or should I say less greedy) businesses, I personally avoid Wally world like the plague. I have personally convinved atleast a dozen of my coworkers to boycott them as well. As far as guns and ammo? I have gone to a walmart 3 times(my local gunstores got bought out lol) to look for some ammo. 2 out of the 3 times their ammo section looked like it had been ransacked, nothing in any caliber I wanted. What is up with them selling so much WInchester WHite box? I mean I understand they trying to sell cheap stuff, but selling crap is just bad business. Anyways of the 3 walmarts withing a 7mile radius only 1 of them sells firearms(my wife was looking for a 10/22). That one store you can count their entire selection almost on 1 hand. Dont shop at walmart, definately dont buy guns from walmart. Support your local PRO 2A gunshop instead of a NEUTRAL walmart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
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    Though I understand some people cant afford to shop at smaller(or should I say less greedy) businesses, I personally avoid Wally world like the plague. I have personally convinved atleast a dozen of my coworkers to boycott them as well. As far as guns and ammo? I have gone to a walmart 3 times(my local gunstores got bought out lol) to look for some ammo. 2 out of the 3 times their ammo section looked like it had been ransacked, nothing in any caliber I wanted. What is up with them selling so much WInchester WHite box? I mean I understand they trying to sell cheap stuff, but selling crap is just bad business. Anyways of the 3 walmarts withing a 7mile radius only 1 of them sells firearms(my wife was looking for a 10/22). That one store you can count their entire selection almost on 1 hand. Dont shop at walmart, definately dont buy guns from walmart. Support your local PRO 2A gunshop instead of a NEUTRAL walmart.
    It's hard for me to call the smaller businesses less greedy when one local store has about a 10-30% mark-up and another has a 25-100% mark-up on everything in the store. Nothing like not knowing better and paying $60 for a serpa that would have cost me $35 on base, or $789 for an XDm-40 w/o night sights. Outside of special ordering my guns on base it looks like walmart will be one of the few places to carry guns at reasonable prices.

    Currently they don't have guns, but they do have both FMJ and JHP rounds and they generally have a bunch of both (though the value packs sell out fast).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    It's hard for me to call the smaller businesses less greedy when one local store has about a 10-30% mark-up and another has a 25-100% mark-up on everything in the store. Nothing like not knowing better and paying $60 for a serpa that would have cost me $35 on base, or $789 for an XDm-40 w/o night sights. Outside of special ordering my guns on base it looks like walmart will be one of the few places to carry guns at reasonable prices.

    Currently they don't have guns, but they do have both FMJ and JHP rounds and they generally have a bunch of both (though the value packs sell out fast).
    Wal-Mart buys at a much higher volume then the smaller guy. They therefore get better prices. The little guy has to pay more so they have to charge more.

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    Wal-Mart has signed on to Mayor Bloomberg's "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" campaign, and now videotapes all gun sales, and even escorts you out of the store before giving you the gun.

    Why would you reward such policies (which work on the assumption that you can not be trusted) with your dollars.

    When Wal-Mart again decides that women's underwear can return one cent per square foot of floor space more than guns, they will dump guns and ammo.

    THEN you will look for the local gun store, but it will have gone out of business because you didn't support it.

    I don't get why anyone who supports gun rights, and believes that it's important to have gun stores, would buy guns and ammo at Wal-Mart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
    Dont shop at walmart, definately dont buy guns from walmart. Support your local PRO 2A gunshop instead of a NEUTRAL walmart.
    Can't afford "morals," I'll go where the best prices are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Gresham View Post
    Wal-Mart has signed on to Mayor Bloomberg's "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" campaign, and now videotapes all gun sales, and even escorts you out of the store before giving you the gun.
    The Cabelas localish to me has the same policy of escorting you out of the building, and they've been regarded as Pro-2A. Any major store is going to have surveillance videotaping sales, so I don't see why Wal-Mart gets singled out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Fisher View Post
    Wal-Mart buys at a much higher volume then the smaller guy. They therefore get better prices. The little guy has to pay more so they have to charge more.
    I have to call bs on this unless we're talking about the extremely small mom and pop stores, of which I don't have any around. When I go to the exchange on base and place an order I can see the dealer price while they charge me the "internet" price (which is something like 10-20% higher than the dealer price). So unless the local stores don't get a dealer price and instead are paying the "internet" price (my guess is that the standard internet price is just the msrp) they are just marking up prices for extra profit. In fact I had one store say that their prices are higher because they have better customer service and because they have it in stock when other stores don't. A $35 holster was $60 from them and a $80 rifle would have been $125. Even their ammo and targets had inflated prices.

    I'm all for supporting local businesses but I don't like feeling like I'm being ripped off either. And when I can find it so much cheaper (talking 10%+) at other places it feels like I'm being ripped off. Especially when the difference is 50%-100% compared to other walk-in stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Gresham View Post
    Wal-Mart has signed on to Mayor Bloomberg's "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" campaign, and now videotapes all gun sales, and even escorts you out of the store before giving you the gun.

    Why would you reward such policies (which work on the assumption that you can not be trusted) with your dollars.

    When Wal-Mart again decides that women's underwear can return one cent per square foot of floor space more than guns, they will dump guns and ammo.

    THEN you will look for the local gun store, but it will have gone out of business because you didn't support it.

    I don't get why anyone who supports gun rights, and believes that it's important to have gun stores, would buy guns and ammo at Wal-Mart.
    My base exchange not only escorts you out of the store, but afterwards you have to immediately leave the base unless your residence is on base, at which you have to take it straight there or to the armory. And really, what stores now a days don't record people buying ANYTHING? Even buying a 10 cent pack of gum you're generally recorded so being recorded while buying a gun shouldn't be some horrible shock.

    And I don't get why people think we should pay such inflated prices when you can find it so much cheaper elsewhere. I recently had a different gun store offer to sell me an MSAR AUG for 2.9k when you can get a new one for around 1.8k or less.

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    I don't know how this rumor, " Wal-mart now videos gun sales " , got started . They have videoed at every checkout for the last 10 years at least . It certainly isn't anything new.

    I have never bought a gun from them and probably won't but when it comes to WWB .45 ACP , I have bought a bunch from them .

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    Quote Originally Posted by onlurker View Post
    Can't afford "morals," I'll go where the best prices are.
    Wow... that has to be one of the worst things I have ever heard an American say! I am truly shocked... You have sold your rights, and your ideals for a better deal... or atleast would if given the oppurtunity. I truly hope you dont really believe that and are just trying to defend Wallyworld(for reasons that elude me).

    Quote Originally Posted by aknazer View Post
    I have to call bs on this unless we're talking about the extremely small mom and pop stores, of which I don't have any around. When I go to the exchange on base and place an order I can see the dealer price while they charge me the "internet" price (which is something like 10-20% higher than the dealer price)..
    There is no BS as you say. I am sure you could ask any wallyworld store manager or exec and they would confirm. Wally world sells things cheaper becuase they can buy at such a large volume that the distributor is willing to take the loss. The loss of profit per unit is lost by the profit in sheer volume. If a mom and pop shop has to say buy guns at close to MSRP because they can only buy 1-6 a month, but Walmart can buy 10,000 who do you think is more likely to negotiate a better buying price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
    There is no BS as you say. I am sure you could ask any wallyworld store manager or exec and they would confirm. Wally world sells things cheaper becuase they can buy at such a large volume that the distributor is willing to take the loss. The loss of profit per unit is lost by the profit in sheer volume. If a mom and pop shop has to say buy guns at close to MSRP because they can only buy 1-6 a month, but Walmart can buy 10,000 who do you think is more likely to negotiate a better buying price?
    I'm not sure what happened, but when you quoted me your quote says "onlurker" instead of my name. Anyways, I understand the whole buying 1-6 a month vs 10,000 but you're missing the other part. And that is where "mom and pop" are getting a dealer rate for the guns (so cheaper than MSRP), but charging a 20-50% mark up OVER the MSRP. So lets say that "mom and pop" are getting a dealer rate which is 20% less than MSRP and they then do a 50% mark up from MSRP. That means they are charging 80% more than what they paid for the gun; which is a huge mark up. That is the equiv of dealer price being $300, MSRP being $360, and mom and pop charging $540. That's a huge difference and while not every item had that type of mark up, a bunch of them did.

    Now walmart can often get deals that are better than most other "dealer rates" because of the volume that they buy in, but those rates aren't going to be that huge. Generally the price difference is within 5-10%, so it wouldn't make sense for other stores to have the exact same gun but yet have it listed at a 50% higher cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    Generally the price difference is within 5-10%, so it wouldn't make sense for other stores to have the exact same gun but yet have it listed at a 50% higher cost.
    Except mom and pop have to pay rent with selling 1-6 guns a month whereas Walmart doesnt care.. they have 5 million other things to help pay the rent. Well atleast until the tax incentives wear out then they just abandon the whole building and move somewhere else...
    Anyways... I have never seen a local gunstore selling @50%+ mark up. If you have then yes I agree that is just greed and I suspect that store doesnt fair so well. Now a 25% markup... yeah thats reasonable. I can tell you that when you go buy a .99 ice cream cone from McDs they make about .72 profit, now thats a mark-up! Thought thats another business, my point is some things are overpriced but we dont realize it. To me the value of a gunstore is they know what they are talking about and back the products they sell(well the ones I goto do). The 45yrd old behind the counter a Walmart couldnt care less and the quality of weapons they sell shows who they are catering to IMHO.

    Sorry just got whapped by the wife. My wife would like to say that if Walmart sells a ruger 10/22 they have her vote... but only if it comes with blue thumbhole stock, and blue BBL....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
    There is no BS as you say. I am sure you could ask any wallyworld store manager or exec and they would confirm. Wally world sells things cheaper becuase they can buy at such a large volume that the distributor is willing to take the loss. The loss of profit per unit is lost by the profit in sheer volume.
    I'll confirm you're largely correct. There's another factor which allows Walmart to purchase items below most competitors' costs. Their purchasing department is very aggressive, often capable of convincing suppliers to sell to them at or below the suppliers' costs. So long as the suppliers can also sell the same items to mom and pop stores at a premium, they'll still make a profit.

    If a mom and pop shop has to say buy guns at close to MSRP because they can only buy 1-6 a month, but Walmart can buy 10,000 who do you think is more likely to negotiate a better buying price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
    Except mom and pop have to pay rent with selling 1-6 guns a month whereas Walmart doesnt care.. they have 5 million other things to help pay the rent. Well atleast until the tax incentives wear out then they just abandon the whole building and move somewhere else...
    Anyways... I have never seen a local gunstore selling @50%+ mark up. If you have then yes I agree that is just greed and I suspect that store doesnt fair so well. Now a 25% markup... yeah thats reasonable. I can tell you that when you go buy a .99 ice cream cone from McDs they make about .72 profit, now thats a mark-up! Thought thats another business, my point is some things are overpriced but we dont realize it. To me the value of a gunstore is they know what they are talking about and back the products they sell(well the ones I goto do). The 45yrd old behind the counter a Walmart couldnt care less and the quality of weapons they sell shows who they are catering to IMHO.

    Sorry just got whapped by the wife. My wife would like to say that if Walmart sells a ruger 10/22 they have her vote... but only if it comes with blue thumbhole stock, and blue BBL....
    I haven't really looked for any new gun stores after finding out that the base can order pretty much any gun, but I know of two large gun stores in the local area that also have their own ranges. At one store I paid 789 for an XDm-40 and XD-9SC for 719 (I was stupid and didn't shop around) when they can be picked up for mid 500 to low 600 or less and they stated that a mosin nagant rifle would be 125 when you can find the rifle for about 80. They also charged 60 for serpa holsters when you can get the same holster for about 35 and a few other items that I looked at they had similar mark ups. At the other store they wanted 2.9k for an MSAR AUG when it can be picked up for about 1.8k or less.

    These are my only experiences with local gun stores that aren't on base, so if that isn't the norm then I don't know what to say. But given just how much cheaper I can find it elsewhere (either online or on base) I would have no problem buying from Walmart as the mark up at these two stores is just insane and Walmart would give online prices while being able to walk in and pick of up. Assuming they had any guns I was interested in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
    Wow... that has to be one of the worst things I have ever heard an American say! I am truly shocked... You have sold your rights, and your ideals for a better deal... or atleast would if given the oppurtunity. I truly hope you dont really believe that and are just trying to defend Wallyworld(for reasons that elude me).
    Say what you will but that is the reality that a lot of Americans must face. Their faced with two realities, either they feed their families or go broke buying into the feel good push towards small shops who charge more. Also, to outright ban stores like you say actually hurts our economy since it reduces people's spending power. I find it silly that Walmart gets the bad rap when the majority of what they carry can be bought at other large chain stores (Target, Best Buy, your local malls, etc).

    BTW, I'd appreciate it if you edited the second quote in your post. Scared me into thinking I said something I didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by onlurker View Post
    Say what you will but that is the reality that a lot of Americans must face. Their faced with two realities, either they feed their families or go broke buying into the feel good push towards small shops who charge more. Also, to outright ban stores like you say actually hurts our economy since it reduces people's spending power. I find it silly that Walmart gets the bad rap when the majority of what they carry can be bought at other large chain stores (Target, Best Buy, your local malls, etc).
    Hmm to put this into perspective lets change your wording around a bit for fun shall we?

    "Say what you will but that is the reality that a lot of Americans must face. Their faced with two realities, either they Open carry or lay down and take it buying into the feel good push towards CC or banning handguns all together. Also, to outright allow OC like you say actually hurts our society since it reduces people's comfort level. I find it silly that CC gets the bad rap when the majority of what they carry cant be seen, thus not being a problem(dont ask dont tell! Who cares about peoples rights)."

    Hmm now that statement re-worded towards OC, it seems kinda scary all of a sudden eh? Btw edited the quote sorry for the mixup dont know how that happened. My point is that compromising our way of life leads to rights lost and a societal dream washed away. If you walk along the fence your still on the Devils side, ya know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
    Hmm to put this into perspective lets change your wording around a bit for fun shall we?
    You're reaching a bit with the banning of handguns portion and to demonize CC like that is rather uncalled for. As long as the bearing of arms is not infringed no one's rights are being stomped on, method of bearing shouldn't matter. I also feel as your OC analogy doesn't correlate to economics like you think it would. It's only scary when you're willing to take it completely out of context like you did.

    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
    Btw edited the quote sorry for the mixup dont know how that happened. My point is that compromising our way of life leads to rights lost and a societal dream washed away. If you walk along the fence your still on the Devils side, ya know?
    Thank you for the edit.

    My point is that not everyone has the option to decide whether or not they should take their moral high ground or "compromise." This forum likes to talk about voting with their wallet but when you can't you have no option to even have a voice.

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    Simple fact is walmart will stay in business period!

    Ammo is cheapest there, the other major gun dealers can either get with the program or get left in the cold.

    Walmart is one of the best things to happen to this country, jobs for many, inexpensive goods for everyone else. Its win win.

    It's a free market, retailers are free to charge whatever they want and walmart chooses to sell at a lower price than the rest. Lets remember that low prices are a good thing

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