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    GRNC Alert 4-28-11: ELON U. SKEWS POLL ON CONCEALED HANDGUNS

    Grass Roots North Carolina, P.O. Box 10665, Raleigh, NC 27605, 919-664-8565, www.GRNC.org

    GRNC Alert 4-28-11:
    ELON U. SKEWS POLL ON CONCEALED HANDGUNS

    A poll released last week by Elon University* purports to show little public support for expanding North Carolina's existing concealed handgun law into parks and restaurants, as proposed under House Bill 111. However, the misleading and inaccurate phrasing of poll questions suggests that the researchers either haven't read HB 111, or are woefully ignorant of North Carolina gun laws.

    INACCURATELY PHRASED QUESTIONS:

    "[Do you agree/disagree with] permitting people to carry handguns in restaurants and bars."

    Facts:
    * No pending bill would allow "people"-meaning anyone-to carry handguns in restaurants and bars. Rather, HB-111 is strictly limited to allowing concealed handgun permit holders to do so.

    * Individuals covered by HB 111 have been verified by their sheriff as law-abiding citizens who have proven they are trained in the law and proficient with their weapons.
    * These people have passed criminal background checks and had their fingerprints cleared by the FBI.
    * The sheriff has verified they are not alcoholics or substance abusers, and in the case of veterans, were honorably discharged.
    * This class of people - who number approximately 2% of North Carolinians - have proven, over the past 16 years, to be responsible, prudent, safe, and overwhelming law-abiding.

    * A similar question skewed results on "people" carrying concealed handguns in parks when, in reality, the parks provision too would apply only to concealed handgun permit-holders.

    OMMITTED INFORMATION

    * The question on restaurants omits at least two major qualifying conditions: That those carrying handguns are prohibited from consuming any alcohol, and that individual restaurants have the ability to ban the carry of handguns on their premises.

    SAMPLING BIAS

    * Although the Elon poll found that 42.4% of respondents owned firearms, earlier polling of North Carolina residents found a far higher gun ownership rate of 56%,** suggesting a sampling bias against lawful gun ownership.

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    * John R. Lott, Jr. More Guns, Less Crime 3rd Edition. Chicago, The University of Chicago Press, 2010.
    ** Elon University poll available at: http://www.elon.edu/docs/e-web/elonp...ethodology.pdf


    IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED:

    * Contact your House and Senate reps. Tell them to ignore such biased and incorrect polling data.
    * Find your representative at this site: http://www.grnc.org/contact_reps.htm


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    You may find your NC STATE representative by going here:
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    You may write your FEDERAL congressman by going here:
    http://www.house.gov/writerep/

    You may write your FEDERAL senators by going here:
    http://www.senate.gov/

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    I saw that in the local paper and thought it was a bit hoky. It did not make much sense how the answers came out.

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    Clearly the results in this poll cannot represent the opinions of NC voters or citizens about changes to the NC law because the questions asked have failed to represent the facts of what the proposed change is. If any reporting or legislators are influenced on Bill 111 it will be with false conclusions. The poll questions use some words related to the gun law but leave out many of the ideas that the actual law will enact. These questions fail to present the issues addressed in the Bill and therefore the results misrepresent the opinions of voters or others on this Bill.

    We should all read file linked to the Elon poll to see how this is false. It is easy to see and we should all look it over.


    http://www.elon.edu/docs/e-web/elonp...ethodology.pdf
    Last edited by EricDailey X-NRA; 04-30-2011 at 08:45 PM. Reason: link added
    Get a DVR, a Digital Voice Recorder, carry it 24/7. It's cheap, easy and makes a good witness in Court.

    Triangle Open Carry Meetup
    http://www.meetup.com/r/inbound/0/0/...ry/?a=sharetxt
    This is a link for a "gunz r welcome" sign.
    http://www.gunlaws.com/images/unity.gif
    FORUM RULES (14)
    ....This web site is focused on the right to openly carry properly holstered handguns in daily American life.

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    Reread This OP,GRNC Alert 4-28-11...Phony Data

    The post quoted below may refer to the OP of this thread. If we lose this battle because folks were fooled by false polling data it may be hard to recover that damage.

    Now is the time to attack false polling data. Read the link in this thread OP and find out what they are trying to do. Lets shine some light into their dark corners.

    We are fighting the corrupt "dailymedia". We have to keep the pressure on.



    "GRNC Alert 6-3-11: NC House Leadership Needs Show of Support
    Grass Roots North Carolina, P.O. Box 10665, Raleigh, NC 27605, 919-664-8565, www.GRNC.org
    GRNC Alert 6-3-11:
    NC House Leadership Needs Show of Support
    Rumor has it that Speaker Thom Tillis is under considerable pressure from centrist elements regarding gun bills, specifically that such bills aren't "polling well." Now is the time to deliver a message of support by letting Speaker Tillis and Republican House leadership know that you want 4 things more than anything else: (1) Castle Doctrine; (2) Concealed carry in municipal and state parks; (3) Concealed carry in restaurants; and (4) Guns in locked vehicles for concealed handgun permit-holders."
    Last edited by EricDailey X-NRA; 06-07-2011 at 12:05 PM. Reason: no changes
    Get a DVR, a Digital Voice Recorder, carry it 24/7. It's cheap, easy and makes a good witness in Court.

    Triangle Open Carry Meetup
    http://www.meetup.com/r/inbound/0/0/...ry/?a=sharetxt
    This is a link for a "gunz r welcome" sign.
    http://www.gunlaws.com/images/unity.gif
    FORUM RULES (14)
    ....This web site is focused on the right to openly carry properly holstered handguns in daily American life.

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