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Thank you Uncle Ted - But... NRA Meeting

Uncle Ted (Nugent) at NRA Pittsburgh meeting

  • Did you attend the Uncle Ted Experience Sunday ?

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Dreamer

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NRA Instructor Training and Handgun Training have become inextricably intertwined with many state's CC qualification training in one way or another. These NRA training programs are a nice little revenue stream for the NRA, and NRA-certified instructors have invested a lot of their own time and money to get those certifications.

NRA is a big supporter of licensed CC because it puts money in their coffers, and in the pockets of some of their high-dollar members.

In other words, follow the money...
 

ixtow

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Elitist CCer said:
"Criminals are cowards, they don't want to deal with someone who has a gun. They want soft targets. My hidden gun makes me look like a soft target, but lets ignore that. Maybe I'll get to whip it out after Bad Things are already happening?"

"Criminals will engage the hardest target they can find, first. The person with the gun that can be seen is the person they will go after. An ounce of cure is worth, er, uh, wait a minute, how does that saying go again?"

Things that make you go "Hmmmmm...."

Why would anyone abandon their own logic to subvert a Right? Ego, Money, whatever. The root is deeper.

Who hacks at the branches when they can strike the root? Those who prune for a living.
 
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zack991

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Everyone should remember the Bill Akins case that the NRA did nothing on.

Bill Akin invented the Akin's accelerator which was a bump fire stock for the Ruger 10/22.
At 1st the ATF approved it, It was an immediate success and business took off.

The AA went into full production.. about 2 years (iirc) into it the ATF did another test on the AA, why they did another test im not sure.

Anyway this time around they denied it, They claim was the 1st test the product did not work. the 2nd test done a few years later it did.. They accused Bill of sending them a prototype or otherwise flawed unit.

The stock worked via a spring. The ATF got a court order for bill's customer list as well as all springs in inventory.

Without the springs the stocks was worthless.

The ATF also sent out letters to everyone on the customer list demanding they send in the springs from their stocks and sign an affidavit that they would not replace them to make the stocks functional again.

Bill went to the NRA for help as he did not have the money to fight the ATF, He was a member for about 30 years (IIRC), They declined and so Bill was forced to comply. He was left with about 1ml dollars in useless product, Customers who complied with the ATF was left with a useless stock.

The ATF did not compensate customers nor Bill. The stocks cost about 1k dollars iirc, While customers might be out 1000 dollars Bill had spent 10 years perfecting the product and was ruined financially.

He was secure in thinking his ATF approval letter was a green light, Only to have them reverse 2 years later ruining his business without compensation.

At least thats the story in a nutshell, google Bill Akin or Akin's accelerator if you want to read more...........Joe Sixpack
 
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zack991

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The NRA works very hard and spends a lot of money to protect the privilege.

If I misunderstand forgive me, but its a God Given right not a privilege. Now to the NRA playing both sides of the coin while claiming they fight hard against these laws. Yet the truth is they help work with the groups like "Brady": to input many of the laws and say they are compromising so we don't loose all of our "rights".


The NRA has nasty habit of playing both sides of the the debate way to often. NRA published an article by their magazine's Associate Editor entitled "WHERE THE NRA STANDS ON GUN LEGISLATION" — elaborating at length about NRA's longstanding support for a wide variety of gun controls that included gun and gunowner registration, waiting periods, age restrictions, licenses for carrying a firearm or having a firearm in your vehicle, increased penalties for violating gun laws, regulating ammunition and more.

BEGIN TEXT OF PAGES 22 AND 23 OF NRA'S
AMERICAN RIFLEMAN MAGAZINE, MARCH 1968 EDITION
NOTE: This article has been out of print for decades and is very hard to find, so we include the full text. This information is distributed free of charge, is not being used for profit and is strictly for educational purposes. Scanned images of this article can be accessed by clicking the following links: Page 22 (319K), Page 23 (275K). (In fact, if you'd like, you can see a scanned image of the color cover of the magazine where this gun control braggadocio was published.)

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"The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns. ... NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts." —American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22

"The NRA supported the original 'Dodd Bill' to amend the Federal Firearms Act in regard to handguns when it was introduced as S.1975 in August, 1963. Among its provisions was the requirement that a purchaser submit a notarized statement to the shipper that he was over 18 and not legally disqualified from possessing a handgun." (P. 22)

That's one form of registration.

"In January, 1965, with the continued support of the NRA, Senator Dodd introduced an amended version of his first bill, now designated 5.14 and expanded to cover rifles and shotguns as well as handguns." (P. 22)

"The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition..." (P. 22)

That's an extension of one form of registration to all types of guns not already under registration schemes at the time.

In order to "put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts," NRA management also pressed the federal government, in 1968, to:

"Regulate the movement of handguns in interstate and foreign commerce by:

"A. requiring a sworn statement, containing certain information, from the purchaser to the seller for the receipt of a handgun in interstate commerce;"

That's a registration list.

"B. providing for notification of local police of prospective sales;"

That's another registration mechanism.

"C. requiring an additional 7-day waiting period by the seller after receipt of acknowledgement of notification to local police;"

Wait a week to exercise your inalienable rights.

"D. prescribing a minimum age of 21 for obtaining a license to sell firearms and increasing the license fees;"

That is called Age Discrimination. In essence, in 1968, the NRA was saying "You can go die over in Vietnam for your country at age 18, but you can't sell a constitutionally protected item to your own neighbors for three more years."

"E. providing for written notification by manufacturer or dealer to carrier that a firearm is being shipped in interstate commerce;"

"Carrier" includes the U.S. Postal Service — another ripe opportunity for the federal government to collect names of gun buyers.

"F. increasing penalties for violation." (P. 22-23)

What do you think America's Founders would say about the NRA calling for "increasing penalties for violation" of unconstitutional gun laws?

At least as early as 1930, the NRA supported:

"...requir[ing] the purchaser of a pistol to give information about himself which is submitted by the seller to local police authorities..."

Unless someone has evidence to prove that the NRA lied to its membership in its premier magazine, let the record show that the NRA got behind the first unconstitutional federal gun law in America and then bragged about having done so, many years later — decades after the law had been continually used to violate the rights of untold numbers of American citizens, including, surely, their own members.



Now I will be out of town for the weekend so I will get back to any questions on Monday.
 
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eye95

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If I misunderstand forgive me, but its a God Given right not a privilege...

Um...duh...

I know that. I posted exactly what I meant. The NRA works very hard at protecting the privilege. That is one reason that I don't belong.

Where is that head-shaking smiley??
 
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