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    someone with a PhD who's pretty ignorant

    A philosophy prof at UW-Washington County had an editorial piece published in the West Bend Daily News last Oct. (2010).
    He talked about a 2A meet-n-greet at a coffee shop up there, and then noted that thousands of people go about unarmed (as though that's something to celebrate?).

    He points out that people don't have to exercise their right to bear arms, which is true, but why is being defenseless celebrated when people who don't vote, or don't do jury duty, or don't worship, or [insert other right here] are looked down on?

    Then he said this:
    We dont even need to defend ourselves against bandits now that we have a police force.
    In fact, it turns out that its a lot safer to let the police handle all of that for us.

    How can someone so book-smart be so ignorant???
    Articles from the "no need for a gun?" thread, as well as the TV & paper news should show him that the police rarely prevent crime, and rarely stop crime; they mostly try to catch people who have committed crimes.

    I'd rather be the tow-truck driver who recently stopped the attack w/ a gun, then called 911,
    rather than be the tow-truck driver from a year ago who was stabbed to death.

    And of course there are court cases to quote, explaining that the police have no duty to protect anyone who's not in custody.

    I wonder how 'safe' he'd feel if someone broke into his home in the middle of the night, beat & bound him, & did unprintable things to his wife &/or children while he had to watch?
    Wonder if he'd be wishing someone with a gun was right there to stop it?
    Maybe even wishing he could stop the attack on him & his loved ones?
    A lot safer to rely on police, huh?

    His contact info as shown on the university "about him" page:
    (262) 335-5200
    mark.peterson@uwc.edu
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    How can someone so book-smart be so ignorant???
    I've noticed that when people go to college in order to make room for the academic learning common sense seems to get pushed aside to make room. Seems to happen to a large portion of the students, not all but a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XDFDE45 View Post
    I've noticed that when people go to college in order to make room for the academic learning common sense seems to get pushed aside to make room. Seems to happen to a large portion of the students, not all but a lot.
    Hey now, I have my BS (Bachelor of Science) degree!
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    Quote Originally Posted by XDFDE45
    I've noticed that when people go to college in order to make room for the academic learning common sense seems to get pushed aside to make room. Seems to happen to a large portion of the students, not all but a lot.
    Not common knowledge (until now...) but I have 3 degrees. (Associate's, Bachelor's, Master's)
    I also do extremely well on standardized tests.
    There's something up there for my helmet to protect.

    I've met, through WI Carry activities, an MD & at least 1 PhD (a nationally-known researcher & one of the few people I find intellectually intimidating! ...who's probably reading this and going "who, me?").
    There are probably more people around here with degrees who don't mention them. Usually it's not relevant to the discussion.
    (And there's one rather active WCI member whom I was suprised to learn does not have even one college degree. You know who you are.)

    It doesn't matter to me whether someone barely got a GED or has multiple doctorates (other than maybe tailoring language usage) - we all seem to be able to agree that carrying a pistol for personal protection is both a right & a responsibility.

    I just found it amazing that with so much ability to learn, & research, & look at facts, this guy chooses to be ignorant of reality. (Of course, he teaches philosophy, which is more thinking than fact-based.)
    Maybe by being shown a bunch of facts that contradict his world view he'll change his view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    I just found it amazing that with so much ability to learn, & research, & look at facts, this guy chooses to be ignorant of reality. (Of course, he teaches philosophy, which is more feeling than fact-based.)
    Maybe by being shown a bunch of facts that contradict his world view he'll change his view.
    Fixed

    One can hope that facts can change opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    Maybe by being shown a bunch of facts that contradict his world view he'll change his view.
    Cognitive dissonance often leads to refutation or manipulation of the facts to meet the world view, rather than a change in world view to incorporate the dissonant facts. I would imagine philosophy professors are very practiced at refuting and manipulating facts to match a world view . . .
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    someone with a PhD who's pretty ignorant

    PhD = Piled higher and Deeper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pahleh View Post
    PhD = Piled higher and Deeper?
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    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Hey now, I have my BS (Bachelor of Science) degree!
    I did say a large portion, not all
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    A philosophy prof at UW-Washington County had an editorial piece published in the West Bend Daily News last Oct. (2010).
    He talked about a 2A meet-n-greet at a coffee shop up there, and then noted that thousands of people go about unarmed (as though that's something to celebrate?).

    He points out that people don't have to exercise their right to bear arms, which is true, but why is being defenseless celebrated when people who don't vote, or don't do jury duty, or don't worship, or [insert other right here] are looked down on?

    Then he said this:


    How can someone so book-smart be so ignorant???
    Articles from the "no need for a gun?" thread, as well as the TV & paper news should show him that the police rarely prevent crime, and rarely stop crime; they mostly try to catch people who have committed crimes.

    I'd rather be the tow-truck driver who recently stopped the attack w/ a gun, then called 911,
    rather than be the tow-truck driver from a year ago who was stabbed to death.

    And of course there are court cases to quote, explaining that the police have no duty to protect anyone who's not in custody.

    I wonder how 'safe' he'd feel if someone broke into his home in the middle of the night, beat & bound him, & did unprintable things to his wife &/or children while he had to watch?
    Wonder if he'd be wishing someone with a gun was right there to stop it?
    Maybe even wishing he could stop the attack on him & his loved ones?
    A lot safer to rely on police, huh?

    His contact info as shown on the university "about him" page:
    (262) 335-5200
    mark.peterson@uwc.edu
    Years ago I worked for this very intelligent man. He said there are the people doing the job at hand, and there are the people with the PHD teaching the job. However: The people with the PHD teaching the job, know how to do what they teach, just lack the skills to do it if handed the tools. On ther other hand the people doing the job should be the teachers, but do not have the time to teach, because they are too busy doing the job!

    I am not cutting on our teachers please do not take it this way. We have good and bad in every field.
    Sometimes someone can be just so smart they are stupid!!!
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    And I'll bet the bonehead has locks on his home and car. But I don't know why.... we have a police force!
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    All jokes aside. IMHO it does not accomplish any good for us to castigate the benefits of a good education. It has been said before that it is not what you know, but how you use what you know.

    Many of our number which includes the owners of this site as well as such notables as John Lott, the attorneys for Heller etc, etc, etc. have been college educated. So too patriots and thinkers like Thomas Jefferson were.

    At the risk of offending, though that is not my intent, knocking education is stupid. It is also group bashing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    A philosophy prof at UW-Washington County had an editorial piece published in the West Bend Daily News last Oct. (2010).
    He talked about a 2A meet-n-greet at a coffee shop up there, and then noted that thousands of people go about unarmed (as though that's something to celebrate?).

    He points out that people don't have to exercise their right to bear arms, which is true, but why is being defenseless celebrated when people who don't vote, or don't do jury duty, or don't worship, or [insert other right here] are looked down on?

    Then he said this:


    How can someone so book-smart be so ignorant???
    Articles from the "no need for a gun?" thread, as well as the TV & paper news should show him that the police rarely prevent crime, and rarely stop crime; they mostly try to catch people who have committed crimes.

    I'd rather be the tow-truck driver who recently stopped the attack w/ a gun, then called 911,
    rather than be the tow-truck driver from a year ago who was stabbed to death.

    And of course there are court cases to quote, explaining that the police have no duty to protect anyone who's not in custody.

    I wonder how 'safe' he'd feel if someone broke into his home in the middle of the night, beat & bound him, & did unprintable things to his wife &/or children while he had to watch?
    Wonder if he'd be wishing someone with a gun was right there to stop it?
    Maybe even wishing he could stop the attack on him & his loved ones?
    A lot safer to rely on police, huh?

    His contact info as shown on the university "about him" page:
    (262) 335-5200
    mark.peterson@uwc.edu
    He has a point. The police will defend us. It would be helpful if we were hearded into barbed wire enclosed "safe" camps first, though...and we'd have no need of guns in there. Oh, and he doesn't have to exercise his right to free speech, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post

    How can someone so book-smart be so ignorant???
    You will find a majority of Phd's in Academia are really IGNORANT and STUPID (defined as a REFUSAL to learn rather than an inability) outside their own little specialty. Though many years ago I had an Econ Prof(Head of the Department) who was much the opposite. He liked to go hunting. We got along just fine.

    Then there is my cousin the Phd. I have hunted with him off and on for 45 years. There are a few good ones out there. They are just very hard to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    (And there's one rather active WCI member whom I was suprised to learn does not have even one college degree. You know who you are.)
    I work in a professional field where the practitioners run the gamut from not even a GED to Multiple PHD's and have met many like you described. My father was one.
    He got his GED while in the Army in the late 40's. A little over ten years later, with out any more formal education, He tested at the equivalent of an AS degree. When I was in my early teens he taught himself Algebra, Geometry and Trigonometry. Having delved quite a lot into all three, I know that is a quite impressive accomplishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    All jokes aside. IMHO it does not accomplish any good for us to castigate the benefits of a good education. It has been said before that it is not what you know, but how you use what you know.

    Many of our number which includes the owners of this site as well as such notables as John Lott, the attorneys for Heller etc, etc, etc. have been college educated. So too patriots and thinkers like Thomas Jefferson were.

    At the risk of offending, though that is not my intent, knocking education is stupid. It is also group bashing.
    I don't think he was knocking education. I think he was knocking being educated and still being stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PavePusher View Post
    I don't think he was knocking education. I think he was knocking being educated and still being stupid.
    I didn't miss it. That is why I said, "It is not what you know, but how you use what you know."
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Hey now, I have my BS (Bachelor of Science) degree!
    Yep! BS...we all know what that stands for!

    MS = More of the Same

    PhD = Piled higher and Deeper

    MD = Much Deeper

    Hmmm...guess I'm pretty much buried!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    SNIP I just found it amazing that with so much ability to learn, & research, & look at facts, this guy chooses to be ignorant of reality. (Of course, he teaches philosophy, which is more thinking than fact-based.)
    Not so hard to understand. He finds "data" easier to face than reality. Thus the term "ivory tower."

    Statistics, printed concepts, and written facts don't jump up off the page and stick a gun in your face. Much easier to contemplate those.

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    "Just remember that every day you’re able to eat a cheeseburger without reaching for your Ruger LCP or Glock 19, you’re part of a much larger, much quieter demonstration: a daily celebration of nationhood where you have a right to bear arms, but don’t need to. "

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    The author has a Ph.D, meaning, he has a Doctorate of Philosophy. I agree with the above quote. We don't need to carry. We either choose to carry, or choose to not carry, because we can.


    "The right to 'bare' arms

    Even better: We don’t have to exercise 2nd Amendment right"


    He acknowledges that 'we' have a right to 'bare' arms. I agree, we don't have to exercise 2nd Amendment 'rights'. There is no Constitutional requirement that we have to. He is not stating that we shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms.

    I am not sure what about his writing makes him 'ignorant'? I am sure someone on this page can point out what makes the man 'ignorant'.
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    Meh, he has the right to his opinion. I'm not sure why so many think it is acceptable to think being educated is somehow a crutch to common sense. The very term common sense is crap anyway. People have varying opinions. I think this guy is just misinformed or hasn't thought the position to it's logical conclusion. Although, philosophy is very good at asking questions and not so good at providing answers so that could a big part of the formation of his opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsx1138 View Post
    Meh, he has the right to his opinion. I'm not sure why so many think it is acceptable to think being educated is somehow a crutch to common sense. The very term common sense is crap anyway. People have varying opinions. I think this guy is just misinformed or hasn't thought the position to it's logical conclusion. Although, philosophy is very good at asking questions and not so good at providing answers so that could a big part of the formation of his opinion.

    It seems many think their view of life is correct and therefore "common". Any deviation from it can then be safely labeled as not following common sense. There are plenty who will tell you that it is only common sense to hide your firearm from sight, so as to retain a tactical advantage. Why would anyone do otherwise? It's just not common sense.

    The older I get the more I realize that when someone says " that person showed no common sense" what they really mean is " that person is not doing what I believe is the correct thing to do in that situation". It also allows the person saying it to take an assumed superior position.


    The same goes for the "assume" argument. Many upon hearing the word, will response with the popular, "makes an a** out of U and ME remark. The only problem is that everyone makes many assumptions everyday. An example. Just because that person has their blinker on doesn't mean they will turn and it's OK to pull on out, but because you sense a decrease in speed you assume they will and pull on out.

    Nowadays, there are many who, if you even use the word "assume" will counter with the "makes an a** out of U and ME to somehow imply your assumption false and unworthy of consideration. They don't offer evidence to dispute your augment, instead they simply try to discredit it by making it appear foolish.


    This PhD is no different, he believes that his view is right and any who may have a different view are wrong. They obviously don't have the same education and insights as he does and therefore are not making an informed and intelligent judgment. Of course I am only assuming this, but come on it's only common sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavageOne View Post
    Of course I am only assuming this, but come on it's only common sense
    I purport to take a position predisposed to preferring presuming, proselytizing the perceptual penalties of assuming.
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