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    18 USC Sec. 930

    From the ATF.GOV
    I really want to hire a lawyer, If I am reading this correctly... Does it say it is lawful to carry in federal places??, as long as you do not kill someone or harm someone. The law is to help LEO fight crime and violence not enforce silly laws to make law abidding people instant felons. Which some how people got it twisted up... ? I am reading this correctly?

    TITLE I : STATE FIREARMS
    CONTROL ASSISTANCE
    PURPOSE
    Sec. 101. The Congress hereby declares
    that the purpose of this title is to
    provide support to Federal, State, and
    local law enforcement officials in their fight
    against crime and violence, and it is not
    the purpose of this title to place any undue
    or unnecessary Federal restrictions or
    burdens on law-abiding citizens with respect
    to the acquisition, possession, or
    use of firearms appropriate to the purpose
    of hunting, trapshooting, target shooting,
    personal protection, or any other lawful
    activity, and that this title is not intended
    to discourage or eliminate the private
    ownership or use of firearms by lawabiding
    citizens for lawful purposes, or
    provide for the imposition by Federal
    regulations of any procedures or requirements
    other than those reasonably necessary
    to implement and effectuate the
    provisions of this title
    http://www.atf.gov/publications/down...f-p-5300-4.pdf

    930 Possession of firearms and
    dangerous weapons in Federal facilities.
    (a) Except as provided in subsection
    (d)
    , whoever knowingly possesses or
    causes to be present a firearm or other
    dangerous weapon in a Federal facility
    (other than a Federal court facility), or
    attempts to do so, shall be fined under
    this title or imprisoned not more than 1
    year, or both.
    (b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm
    or other dangerous weapon be used in
    the commission of a crime, knowingly
    possesses or causes to be present such
    firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal
    facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined
    under this title or imprisoned not more
    than 5 years, or both.
    (c) A person who kills any person in the
    course of a violation of subsection (a) or
    (b), or in the course of an attack on a
    Federal facility involving the use of a firearm
    or other dangerous weapon, or attempts
    or conspires to do such an act,
    shall be punished as provided in sections
    1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
    (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
    (1) the lawful performance of official
    duties by an officer, agent, or employee
    of the United States, a State, or a political
    subdivision thereof, who is authorized
    by law to engage in or supervise
    the prevention, detection, investigation,
    or prosecution of any violation of law;
    (2) the possession of a firearm or
    other dangerous weapon by a Federal
    official or a member of the Armed
    Forces if such possession is authorized
    by law; or (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or
    other dangerous weapons in a Federal
    facility incident to hunting or other lawful
    purposes
    .
    (e) (1) Except as provided in paragraph
    (2), whoever knowingly possesses or
    causes to be present a firearm in a Federal
    court facility, or attempts to do so,
    shall be fined under this title, imprisoned
    not more than 2 years, or both.
    (2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to
    conduct which is described in paragraph
    (1) or (2) of subsection (d).
    (f) Nothing in this section limits the
    power of a court of the United States to
    punish for contempt or to promulgate
    rules or orders regulating, restricting, or
    prohibiting the possession of weapons
    within any building housing such court or
    any of its proceedings, or upon any
    grounds appurtenant to such building.
    (g) As used in this section:
    (1) The term "Federal facility"
    means a building or part thereof owned
    or leased by the Federal Government,
    where Federal employees are regularly
    present for the purpose of performing
    their official duties. (2) The term "dangerous weapon"
    means a weapon, device, instrument,
    material, or substance, animate or inanimate,
    that is used for, or is readily
    capable of, causing death or serious
    bodily injury, except that such term
    does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 2 1/2 inches in
    length.
    (3) The term "Federal court facility"
    means the courtroom, judges' chambers,
    witness rooms, jury deliberation
    rooms, attorney conference rooms,
    prisoner holding cells, offices of the
    court clerks, the United States attorney,
    and the United States marshal, probation
    and parole offices, and adjoining
    corridors of any court of the United
    States.
    (h) Notice of the provisions of subsections
    (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously
    at each public entrance to
    each Federal facility, and notice of subsection
    (e) shall be posted conspicuously
    at each public entrance to each Federal
    court facility, and no person shall be convicted
    of an offense under subsection (a)
    or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if
    such notice is not so posted at such facility,
    unless such person had actual notice
    of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may
    be. http://www.atf.gov/publications/down...f-p-5300-4.pdf page 26/27
    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 05-11-2011 at 02:53 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    This is what you call the big Government Lie. Or equally accurate to say that the Government is allowed to break any laws they want to. I'm not sure what you want to hire a lawyer for though. Unless you have standing, i.e. you have been arrested for violating one of these laws, no court is going to listen to you complain about the big Government Lie.

    That is what we mean when we say "nobody wants to be the test case". Even though we know the law is wrong and should not withstand scrutiny, it would be profoundly expensive and very risky to go through the motions. If you happen to get a liberal activist judge who wants to rewrite law from the bench, then you really are in a heap of trouble.

    By the time (and many thousands of dollars later) you got in front of the SCOTUS, who knows if there will still be a 5-4 majority who even believes in the Second Amendment.

    We are winning, but we really are quite literally hanging by a thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    ...That is what we mean when we say "nobody wants to be the test case". Even though we know the law is wrong and should not withstand scrutiny, it would be profoundly expensive and very risky to go through the motions. If you happen to get a liberal activist judge who wants to rewrite law from the bench, then you really are in a heap of trouble....TFred
    But if you DO want to experiment on yourself, and you've got way too much money lying around, then go ahead and try it - I'll be happy to defend you to your last nickel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by user View Post
    But if you DO want to experiment on yourself, and you've got way too much money lying around, then go ahead and try it - I'll be happy to defend you to your last nickel.
    Nice

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