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    Hassled for an empty holster

    Today was the hearing where I was supposed to get my pistol back from the Milwaukee PD.
    (Didn't happen, but that's another story of judicial abuse. Have another hearing in 2 months!)
    Going into the "safety building" one must go through a metal detector & have bags xrayed.
    I knew this, had no contraband, nothing questionable... I thought.

    They mis-identified a package of 4 AA batteries as bullets [yes, I know they're cartridges; they said "looks like bullets"], made me open my bag, show everything in it, ran it through the scanner twice, AND I got wanded.

    As I was picking up my bag & putting stuff in my pocket, one screener asked if I was law enforcement.
    Having run into this yesterday at the Statehouse, I answered, "No. If I were I'd be armed."
    Then he asked if my holster was for the GPS. (Never heard of such a thing.)
    "No, it's for my pistol."
    Then he & another screener started claiming I couldn't bring the holster into the building.
    (If I'd said it was for the GPS, would that be OK??)

    It's a piece of nylon w/ some padding. There's one strap that's covered metal, but they could easily see the holster was empty. While I was standing there showing my bag & waiting for them to scan it again, & re-stocking my pockets they had lots of time to look at my hip.

    I reminded them the prohibition is against weapons, I didn't have a weapon, they'd just scanned my bag & me, & I had to leave. I invited one of them to escort me if they chose, which they did. (Guess I wasn't all that scary... they sent the smallest of the 3 of them, a woman.)

    Had a mid-level deputy (Leranth, not one of the real ones, but a bailiff sort of) meet us at the courtroom. He wasn't concerned enough to put down his drink, but told me I had to follow orders of the screener & holsters weren't allowed. Then he asked to look at it. Easy enough; look down.

    I replied that I don't have to follow unlawful orders, holsters were not prohibited, weapons were, I had no weapons or other contraband, & asked him to get his supervisor. Pretty soon Deputy Thompson showed up.
    Real deputy. Black uniform, SWAT tags. Not bad looking.

    He looks at the holster, looks at Leranth, all but shakes his head upon hearing of the "problem". I got the impression there was a "you idiot, you called me for this?" behind there somewhere.
    They go away w/ the screener, talk a minute, then the screener & Leranth disappear & Thompson comes back. He's OK. He understands a holster is not prohibited, says "it's a nylon bag".

    He tried to say I should have spent more time waiting at the checkpoint, but when I told him how long they'd had to look at me while scanning me, my bag twice, & looking through the bag he backed off. I asked if the screeners would be reminded that it's weapons that are prohibited, not holsters, & he said yes.

    If I can ever get the MKE Sheriff's page to open, I'll send a note complimenting Deputy Thompson & asking that the screeners have updated training.
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    This inconvenience is just a minor one granted but ... GEEEEEEEZE... come on...

    A little power goes straight to the head with these troglodytes. Be careful with those batteries, you could poke an eye out, don'tcha know...
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    Trying to keep you from bringing in an empty holster. /facepalm

    What is wrong with some people..

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    Next time just put a cell phone, GPS or small slide rule (boy, does that age me) in it. They obvioulsy are not smart enough to know the difference.

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    Sorry you didn't get your property back.

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    Almost sounds like the moron TSA screeners at some airport...but there you would have been made to go through the Naked scanner twice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dipper View Post
    Next time just put a cell phone, GPS or small slide rule (boy, does that age me) in it. They obvioulsy are not smart enough to know the difference.
    NO...a dewalt screw gun lol
    http://youtu.be/xWgVGu3OR4U AACFI, Wisconsin / Minnesota Carry Certified. Action Pistol & Advanced Action pistol concepts + Urban Carbine course. When the entitlement Zombies begin looting, pillaging, raping, burning & killing..remember HEAD SHOTS it's the only way to kill a Zombie. Stockpile food & water now.

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    At least they didn't tackle you...oh, wait, you were still harassed...
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    ,but they were serving and protecting you...
    You shouldnt feel the need to carry a weapon at all with those guys in your disposal.
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    Im sure it was for there saftey .

    BOO!!! *Epic FAIL for MPD...*
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    Must be a new trend... while I was signing in and finding the room the hearing was in Thursday in Wausau, I got the evil eye and questioned about my empty holster with loaded magazine by a large State trooper. Told me it was illegal to have that in the building. Being that was a U of Wis building I wasn't sure that they have a firearms policy or if was covered under Govt. building thing, so I left it in the car. But I did get a talking to.

    Odd...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardballer View Post
    This inconvenience is just a minor one granted but ... GEEEEEEEZE... come on...

    A little power goes straight to the head with these troglodytes. Be careful with those batteries, you could poke an eye out, don'tcha know...
    Sorry, but do you have something against Troglodytes?
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deek View Post
    Must be a new trend... while I was signing in and finding the room the hearing was in Thursday in Wausau, I got the evil eye and questioned about my empty holster with loaded magazine by a large State trooper. Told me it was illegal to have that in the building. Being that was a U of Wis building I wasn't sure that they have a firearms policy or if was covered under Govt. building thing, so I left it in the car. But I did get a talking to.

    Odd...
    There's a UW Administrative Code that prohibits "dangerous weapons" on university grounds without permission. Max fine, I believe, is $500 civil forfeiture.

    That said, I don't believe a holster or magazine, even a loaded magazine qualifies as a "dangerous weapon."

    And let's get technical: No state statute prohibits ammunition inside a government building. The preemption statute covers not only firearms, but also ammunition, firearms parts, reloader components. Since state law only regulates FIREARMS going into a government building, the non-firearms things covered under 66.0409 cannot be prohibited entry into a government building. Your ammo, magazines, hell-- your Dillon reloading press slung over your shoulder--- should all be allowed inside government buildings. The only thing technically not allowed inside a government building without permission is that portion of the gun that is considered a firearm, the frame!

    University property is another matter. 66.0409 does not apply to state agencies, such as the UW. But the UW Code only says "dangerous weapons" not everything associated with a dangerous weapon.
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    concerns were raised by the $8 an hour troglodytes- (love that one), since your holster and mag. holders didnt match your shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun View Post
    There's a UW Administrative Code that prohibits "dangerous weapons" on university grounds without permission. Max fine, I believe, is $500 civil forfeiture.

    That said, I don't believe a holster or magazine, even a loaded magazine qualifies as a "dangerous weapon."

    And let's get technical: No state statute prohibits ammunition inside a government building. The preemption statute covers not only firearms, but also ammunition, firearms parts, reloader components. Since state law only regulates FIREARMS going into a government building, the non-firearms things covered under 66.0409 cannot be prohibited entry into a government building. Your ammo, magazines, hell-- your Dillon reloading press slung over your shoulder--- should all be allowed inside government buildings. The only thing technically not allowed inside a government building without permission is that portion of the gun that is considered a firearm, the frame!

    University property is another matter. 66.0409 does not apply to state agencies, such as the UW. But the UW Code only says "dangerous weapons" not everything associated with a dangerous weapon.
    Interesting. Maybe a rally in the capital with just our slides in our holsters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun View Post
    There's a UW Administrative Code that prohibits "dangerous weapons" on university grounds without permission. Max fine, I believe, is $500 civil forfeiture.

    That said, I don't believe a holster or magazine, even a loaded magazine qualifies as a "dangerous weapon."
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    UWS 18.10 Offenses against public safety
    (3) DANGEROUS WEAPONS. (a) No person may carry, possess
    or use any dangerous weapon on university lands or in university
    buildings or facilities, except with the written approval of the chief
    administrative officer or for law enforcement purposes.
    (b) No person may display or portray as real any object that
    resembles a dangerous weapon on university lands or in university
    buildings or facilities, except with the written approval of the
    chief administrative officer.
    (c) Dangerous weapons in violation of this subsection may be
    confiscated and removed from university lands by police.
    (d) In this subsection, the term “dangerous weapon” has the
    meaning specified in s. 939.22 (10), Stats.
    .
    939.22 Words and phrases defined.
    (10) “Dangerous weapon” means any firearm, whether
    loaded or unloaded; any device designed as a weapon and capable
    of producing death or great bodily harm; any ligature or other
    instrumentality used on the throat, neck, nose, or mouth of another
    person to impede, partially or completely, breathing or circulation
    of blood; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (4); or any
    other device or instrumentality which, in the manner it is used or
    intended to be used, is calculated or likely to produce death or
    great bodily harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    NO...a dewalt screw gun lol

    You know, I do have a holster for my work belt that carries my Dewalt or Makita when I am installing ductwork up on ladders... I have just start carrying it around to see what response I get.

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