afcarry
Regular Member
So if Steak N' Shake wasn't eventful enough for the OC community, the evening continues...in Westport. Chiang and I had just parked downtown and were walking towards the bar district in search of a coffee joint that was still open. We passed two Fops checking parking tickets when they happened to notice I was OCing. They started following us, when we looked back to see if they were still there. They saw us look back, and pretended to check a nearby SUV by standing behind it. We continued to walk along a few more steps, when they continued to follow us and again we stopped to try to verbally establish a state of trust. We wave and say hi. They see us, and run around the corner of the nearest building calling a MWAG on their radio. We continue on about 25 more yards, when we are approached by two KCPD. Heres a rough transcript with notes:
Cops - Hey buddy, come over here (in the middle of an driveway).
Chiang - Over here (pointing to the sidewalk, so we all move over to the side of the driveway where we establish equally dominant positions)
Cops - Whats with the gun?
Afcarry - Im open carrying.
Cops - You cant do that, this is private property.
Chiang - The managers not here and its not posted, so hes allowed to carry here.
Cops - Well were responsible for this area.
Chiang - So if you ask us to leave we'll leave.
Cops - This is a bar district, and you cant carry in a bar district.
Chiang - Thats not true, theres no ordinance prohibiting carrying in a bar district.
Cops - oh, well, you cant carry in a bar
Chiang - First of all, were not going to a bar, were going to Tea Drops to get tea. Second of all, what you are referring to is the 51% rule, where you cant CONCEAL carry into an establishment that sells over 51% of alcohol
Cops - Thats the majority of the establishments here, they serve over 51%
Again were going to Tea Drops, that only applies to CCW, AFcarry is open carrying.
Cop Sad Face. Literally
Cop- To afcarry - you mind if I clear your weapon.
AFCarry- I do not consent,
Cop- The cop continues to reach for afcarry's weapon.
Chiang - woah, im going to reach into my pocket for a recording device.
Cop- stopped instantly and asks ... why?
Chiang - because you are about to illegally seize this mans weapon and I want to get this on tape. Chiang also explains his understanding of the local law regarding the matter and how what how by seizing the weapon after afcarry refused consent would be a no no.
Cop responds - It is not illegal because I asked for consent.
Chiang- He just informed you that he does not consent to having his weapon removed or handled.
The cop takes a step back in shame.
by this time, nothing short of 12 officers are on scene, all gathering around.
Commanding officer walks up and says,
First off, i know that what your doing is perfectly legal. but the combination of alcohol in this district with firearms is a bad judgement call on your part. there is going to be somebody who is going to show you whose boss, and there may be an incident and you could be dead before you draw the damn thing.
Chiang and afcarry- sir, we completely understand that and appreciate the input.
Commanding officer- well bringing that gun into this district is a poor judgement call, so what is you decision (referring to if we would continue into westport), well?
afcarry- if you ask us to leave we'll leave.
Commanding officer- its a bad choice,- and he walks off.
Chiang- are we free to go?
Cops- yes.
Chiang- Thank you, and to be honest we appreciate you officers doing your job, and we weren't looking to cause trouble. We respect you guys and what you do, and we obviously don't want to bump heads with you LEOs especially with a gun involved. You guys have a good night.
And we left! Aside from some ignorance pertaining to the law, they were really respectful and perceptive.
Cops - Hey buddy, come over here (in the middle of an driveway).
Chiang - Over here (pointing to the sidewalk, so we all move over to the side of the driveway where we establish equally dominant positions)
Cops - Whats with the gun?
Afcarry - Im open carrying.
Cops - You cant do that, this is private property.
Chiang - The managers not here and its not posted, so hes allowed to carry here.
Cops - Well were responsible for this area.
Chiang - So if you ask us to leave we'll leave.
Cops - This is a bar district, and you cant carry in a bar district.
Chiang - Thats not true, theres no ordinance prohibiting carrying in a bar district.
Cops - oh, well, you cant carry in a bar
Chiang - First of all, were not going to a bar, were going to Tea Drops to get tea. Second of all, what you are referring to is the 51% rule, where you cant CONCEAL carry into an establishment that sells over 51% of alcohol
Cops - Thats the majority of the establishments here, they serve over 51%
Again were going to Tea Drops, that only applies to CCW, AFcarry is open carrying.
Cop Sad Face. Literally
Cop- To afcarry - you mind if I clear your weapon.
AFCarry- I do not consent,
Cop- The cop continues to reach for afcarry's weapon.
Chiang - woah, im going to reach into my pocket for a recording device.
Cop- stopped instantly and asks ... why?
Chiang - because you are about to illegally seize this mans weapon and I want to get this on tape. Chiang also explains his understanding of the local law regarding the matter and how what how by seizing the weapon after afcarry refused consent would be a no no.
Cop responds - It is not illegal because I asked for consent.
Chiang- He just informed you that he does not consent to having his weapon removed or handled.
The cop takes a step back in shame.
by this time, nothing short of 12 officers are on scene, all gathering around.
Commanding officer walks up and says,
First off, i know that what your doing is perfectly legal. but the combination of alcohol in this district with firearms is a bad judgement call on your part. there is going to be somebody who is going to show you whose boss, and there may be an incident and you could be dead before you draw the damn thing.
Chiang and afcarry- sir, we completely understand that and appreciate the input.
Commanding officer- well bringing that gun into this district is a poor judgement call, so what is you decision (referring to if we would continue into westport), well?
afcarry- if you ask us to leave we'll leave.
Commanding officer- its a bad choice,- and he walks off.
Chiang- are we free to go?
Cops- yes.
Chiang- Thank you, and to be honest we appreciate you officers doing your job, and we weren't looking to cause trouble. We respect you guys and what you do, and we obviously don't want to bump heads with you LEOs especially with a gun involved. You guys have a good night.
And we left! Aside from some ignorance pertaining to the law, they were really respectful and perceptive.