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    Troubled Walkers In Wisconsin!

    I don't know if this article is true or not, but it seems to be a little too mainline to be totally untrue.

    http://www.ammoland.com/2011/05/12/g...-in-wisconsin/

    Take a look, I have sent out e-mails and will be calling on this if I do not have a response by monday afternoon.
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    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
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    "Some time ago, a bunch of lefties defied the law by dancing at the Jefferson Memorial, resulting in their arrests. Last week, a bunch of them pulled the same stunt and - using patented Lefist techniques - provoked the Park Police into having to use force to arrest them."
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    There may be some truth in it but it is entirely possible to pass both bills as they do not contradict each other. It would create a 2 tier system.

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    I'm going to remain skeptical

    Until we can get independent confirmation of Corey Graff's "inside information" that the sky is falling, I'm going to remain skeptical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    Until we can get independent confirmation of Corey Graff's "inside information" that the sky is falling, I'm going to remain skeptical.
    I didn't read far enough to catch the source the first time. Definitely not a source I would trust without confirmation from another...

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    Politicians never get it do they? Because gun owners are always on the political battleground fighting for their rights we, as a whole, are very political and involved. Why politicians would want to piss off the people that watch them the closest and speak the loudest is beyond me...

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    Again, I can't say if it is true or not, but it would seem that this is a little too well written to be all BS in my opinion. That is why I put it out there, the worst thing that could happen is that they get a bunch of e-mails and letters letting them know that we are watching out for this kind of thing.

    Most of these guys are looking to the next election, and not to what we elected them to do. I hate to say this, but the truth is that most politicians are all about keeping their jobs and don't pay much attention to what the people want them to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    Again, I can't say if it is true or not, but it would seem that this is a little too well written to be all BS in my opinion.
    That exact sentiment could explain a WAVE statement as well. For the record, I know WAVE's data is BS, but fence-sitters may be swayed.

    I'll wait for confirmation on this before I start calling them on it. If we jump the gun and start accusing them and threatening their jobs and this turns out to be BS; we all just look like tinfoil hat types and they will dismiss us and only listen to the "reasonable" gun owners. You know, the one's who think a 40-hour training course and a database are good ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    Until we can get independent confirmation of Corey Graff's "inside information" that the sky is falling, I'm going to remain skeptical.
    I had heard the rumor about Jeff Fitzgerald blocking Constitutional Carry in the House but nothing about Walker or anyone other than Coggs supporting micro stamping.

    No matter what, it wouldn't hurt to keep the pressure on the Fitzgerald brothers, Governor Walker and our individual Senators and Representatives telling them in clear language what we want and using facts why.
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    Did Mr. Graf testify in Wausau?
    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    Did Mr. Graf testify in Wausau?
    He is shown in the 2nd video at near the 43:00 mark.

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    Back to Reality

    According to the Wisconsin Supreme Court, there is (at this time) no constitutional right to carry concealed in Wisconsin (except for the meager exceptions that flowed from Hamdan). Since the state can prohibit concealed carry (really what constitutional carry is aimed at since open carry is generally legal), they can (and have) placed restrictions on it. If this weren't true, there would be no need to change the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    Again, I can't say if it is true or not, but it would seem that this is a little too well written to be all BS in my opinion. .
    His professioin is web sit building so he is good at writing articles, etc... He has alot of practice and there is a steady flow of money from the gullible supporting his ventures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    I didn't read far enough to catch the source the first time. Definitely not a source I would trust without confirmation from another...


    An email from WCInc stating we need to put the pressure on the Fitzgerald brothers is all the source I need.
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    BTW, why do the majority of the Republicans like the Fitzgerald's? Why not change that 'guard'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by afterimages View Post
    BTW, why do the majority of the Republicans like the Fitzgerald's? Why not change that 'guard'?
    It's up to us to "change that 'guard'" at election time.
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    If WGO is anything like IGO (Iowa Gun Owners), I'd wait for the other side of the story to come out. It would not be inaccurate to say that from what I have seen, the state level *GO organizations, while truly standing up for our rights without compromise, also tend to exaggerate, tell only their side of the issue, harass lawmakers, and burn bridges.

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    Well I just got off the phone with Andrew from the Senator's office. Again.

    In short Andrew's word is that BOTH brothers are on board with whatever happens 100%.
    The problem is that there is no consensus and a lot of debate within the party right now. My words not his.

    So now I guess we need to help them reach a consensus before next month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amaixner View Post
    If WGO is anything like IGO (Iowa Gun Owners), I'd wait for the other side of the story to come out. It would not be inaccurate to say that from what I have seen, the state level *GO organizations, while truly standing up for our rights without compromise, also tend to exaggerate, tell only their side of the issue, harass lawmakers, and burn bridges.
    Indeed. You should have seen the flyer the WGO was handing out at the Madison hearings. It was trash. Most people I saw wound up using the back of it for taking notes. The dishiveled appearance of the guy handig them out didn't really add any credibility to WGO either. I consider them a fringe group of gun rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    Did Mr. Graf testify in Wausau?
    Yes, and if you people watch the video (I can't because my Internet access is way too slow) check out the World War II connection. His father was in Okinawa and needed a 45 ACP 1911 in case he was shot down over Japan, but the next phrase was some Nazi Germany quote. I didn't think the Germans had a big presence in the Pacific theater.

    After hearing that, I just went "Huh?" Maybe I heard it wrong.

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