Troubled Walkers In Wisconsin!

CalicoJack10 · May 15, 2011

I don't know if this article is true or not, but it seems to be a little too mainline to be totally untrue.

http://www.ammoland.com/2011/05/12/guess-who-is-blocking-constitutional-carry-in-wisconsin/

Take a look, I have sent out e-mails and will be calling on this if I do not have a response by monday afternoon.

HandyHamlet · May 15, 2011

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?90309-Fitzgerald-Brothers-Fire-Mission!

Interceptor_Knight · May 15, 2011

There may be some truth in it but it is entirely possible to pass both bills as they do not contradict each other. It would create a 2 tier system.

davegran · May 15, 2011

I'm going to remain skeptical

Until we can get independent confirmation of Corey Graff's "inside information" that the sky is falling, I'm going to remain skeptical.

Interceptor_Knight · May 15, 2011

davegran said:
Until we can get independent confirmation of Corey Graff's "inside information" that the sky is falling, I'm going to remain skeptical.

I didn't read far enough to catch the source the first time. Definitely not a source I would trust without confirmation from another...

anmut · May 15, 2011

Politicians never get it do they? Because gun owners are always on the political battleground fighting for their rights we, as a whole, are very political and involved. Why politicians would want to piss off the people that watch them the closest and speak the loudest is beyond me...

CalicoJack10 · May 15, 2011

Again, I can't say if it is true or not, but it would seem that this is a little too well written to be all BS in my opinion. That is why I put it out there, the worst thing that could happen is that they get a bunch of e-mails and letters letting them know that we are watching out for this kind of thing.

Most of these guys are looking to the next election, and not to what we elected them to do. I hate to say this, but the truth is that most politicians are all about keeping their jobs and don't pay much attention to what the people want them to do.

Brendon .45 · May 15, 2011

CalicoJack10 said:
Again, I can't say if it is true or not, but it would seem that this is a little too well written to be all BS in my opinion.

That exact sentiment could explain a WAVE statement as well. For the record, I know WAVE's data is BS, but fence-sitters may be swayed.

I'll wait for confirmation on this before I start calling them on it. If we jump the gun and start accusing them and threatening their jobs and this turns out to be BS; we all just look like tinfoil hat types and they will dismiss us and only listen to the "reasonable" gun owners. You know, the one's who think a 40-hour training course and a database are good ideas.

paul@paul-fisher.com · May 15, 2011

davegran said:
Until we can get independent confirmation of Corey Graff's "inside information" that the sky is falling, I'm going to remain skeptical.

I had heard the rumor about Jeff Fitzgerald blocking Constitutional Carry in the House but nothing about Walker or anyone other than Coggs supporting micro stamping.

No matter what, it wouldn't hurt to keep the pressure on the Fitzgerald brothers, Governor Walker and our individual Senators and Representatives telling them in clear language what we want and using facts why.

Flipper · May 15, 2011

Did Mr. Graf testify in Wausau?

Interceptor_Knight · May 15, 2011

Flipper said:
Did Mr. Graf testify in Wausau?

He is shown in the 2nd video at near the 43:00 mark.

apjonas · May 16, 2011

Back to Reality

According to the Wisconsin Supreme Court, there is (at this time) no constitutional right to carry concealed in Wisconsin (except for the meager exceptions that flowed from Hamdan). Since the state can prohibit concealed carry (really what constitutional carry is aimed at since open carry is generally legal), they can (and have) placed restrictions on it. If this weren't true, there would be no need to change the law.

Interceptor_Knight · May 16, 2011

CalicoJack10 said:
Again, I can't say if it is true or not, but it would seem that this is a little too well written to be all BS in my opinion. .

His professioin is web sit building so he is good at writing articles, etc... He has alot of practice and there is a steady flow of money from the gullible supporting his ventures.

HandyHamlet · May 16, 2011

Interceptor_Knight said:
I didn't read far enough to catch the source the first time. Definitely not a source I would trust without confirmation from another...

An email from WCInc stating we need to put the pressure on the Fitzgerald brothers is all the source I need.

afterimages · May 16, 2011

BTW, why do the majority of the Republicans like the Fitzgerald's? Why not change that 'guard'?

davegran · May 16, 2011

afterimages said:
BTW, why do the majority of the Republicans like the Fitzgerald's? Why not change that 'guard'?

It's up to us to "change that 'guard'" at election time.

amaixner · May 16, 2011

If WGO is anything like IGO (Iowa Gun Owners), I'd wait for the other side of the story to come out. It would not be inaccurate to say that from what I have seen, the state level *GO organizations, while truly standing up for our rights without compromise, also tend to exaggerate, tell only their side of the issue, harass lawmakers, and burn bridges.

HandyHamlet · May 16, 2011

Well I just got off the phone with Andrew from the Senator's office. Again.

In short Andrew's word is that BOTH brothers are on board with whatever happens 100%.
The problem is that there is no consensus and a lot of debate within the party right now. My words not his.

So now I guess we need to help them reach a consensus before next month.

Senator Scott Fitzgerald
(608) 266-5660

rcav8r · May 16, 2011

amaixner said:
If WGO is anything like IGO (Iowa Gun Owners), I'd wait for the other side of the story to come out. It would not be inaccurate to say that from what I have seen, the state level *GO organizations, while truly standing up for our rights without compromise, also tend to exaggerate, tell only their side of the issue, harass lawmakers, and burn bridges.

Indeed. You should have seen the flyer the WGO was handing out at the Madison hearings. It was trash. Most people I saw wound up using the back of it for taking notes. The dishiveled appearance of the guy handig them out didn't really add any credibility to WGO either. I consider them a fringe group of gun rights.

phred · May 16, 2011

Flipper said:
Did Mr. Graf testify in Wausau?

Yes, and if you people watch the video (I can't because my Internet access is way too slow) check out the World War II connection. His father was in Okinawa and needed a 45 ACP 1911 in case he was shot down over Japan, but the next phrase was some Nazi Germany quote. I didn't think the Germans had a big presence in the Pacific theater.

After hearing that, I just went "Huh?" Maybe I heard it wrong.

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