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I work in an off limits zone for OC. Yesterday a man entered OC. Help! Questions!
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DrTodd
Michigan Moderator
But the poster doesn't need to sign in to read the thread...
True, but it would be polite to say thank you for the information.
Thank You!
All the information provided was very insightful and educational. You guys know your stuff and that's why I posted here. As I said that was the conclusions I made upon my own research. I now know much more about this subject matter.
I read about the CPL briefly but it was a little misleading to me because of the fact being it stands for "concealed".
This is all very interesting to me and has me strongly considering exercising these rights for myself in the future.
Thank you all.
Edit: Sorry on the delay. I was working. I was not aware how active this forum community was.
All the information provided was very insightful and educational. You guys know your stuff and that's why I posted here. As I said that was the conclusions I made upon my own research. I now know much more about this subject matter.
I read about the CPL briefly but it was a little misleading to me because of the fact being it stands for "concealed".
This is all very interesting to me and has me strongly considering exercising these rights for myself in the future.
Thank you all.
Edit: Sorry on the delay. I was working. I was not aware how active this forum community was.
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stainless1911
Banned
You are always welcome here. Open carry is huge, and Michigan is one of the most active areas anywhere.
Open carry is huge, and Michigan is one of the most active areas anywhere.Please respond educate us where you got your information?
I found my information all on michigan.gov. I'm not an expert at law nor is that site very user friendly in means of conveying useful and pertinent information.
This is why I found a forum to get a better interpretation of the material.
Sometimes reading law is like translating another language.
Just one more question for me tonight.
For the sake of the discussion I would like to reveal that the establishment at which I work is a bowling alley with a casino games gambling room attached via the bar.
I'm not certain to what extent the definition of casino applies.
The games room is a separate business that leases what used to be the karaoke and bar area but is still very much homogeneous with the bowling alley.
What is the law on places such as that and does this change anything?
My curious mind will appreciate any insight.
For the sake of the discussion I would like to reveal that the establishment at which I work is a bowling alley with a casino games gambling room attached via the bar.
I'm not certain to what extent the definition of casino applies.
The games room is a separate business that leases what used to be the karaoke and bar area but is still very much homogeneous with the bowling alley.
What is the law on places such as that and does this change anything?
My curious mind will appreciate any insight.
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eastmeyers
Regular Member
Is it an actual Casino, controlled by the state, for which the law was wrote? Its not, their are only three, Greek Town, Motor City, and MGM. OC w/CPL only IF the majority of your sales come from alcohol. OC or CC w/CPL are both fine if the majority of your sales are not alcohol. No matter how you look at it you have to have a CPL (unless you have permission from the owner or his/her agent) to carry where their is a liquor license.
Welcome to OCDO btw!
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It's not an actual casino but it is regulated by the state and they have to acquire and renew licences for the game room regularly that they have to post to the public.
Thanks for the welcome!
eastmeyers
Regular Member
I know you are just asking for clarification, so I will just bold the part of my response that best answers your fallow up question.
The most important part for you to know, if you decide for yourself that you are going to carry, is to know what is legal where. I also explained that, in my quoted response, when it came to Liquor Licenses. When it comes to someone else carrying, I would assume (unless they are doing something dangerous) that they know the laws, and are fallowing them correctly.
Again Welcome to OCDO (Michigan)!!!
Bronson
Regular Member
Are we sure about that?
R432.1212:
The Michigan gaming control and revenue act, 1996 IL 1, MCL 432.201 to 432.226 referred to above gives this definition:
It goes on to define gaming:
It also defines gambling game:
There are also exemptions....
432.203
It would seem that we would need to know whether the OP's place of employment is licensed under the Michigan Gaming Control and Revenue Act, in which case it might be able to be considered a casino, or either the Traxler-McCauley-Law-Bowman Bingo Act or the McCauley-Traxler-Law-Bowman-McNeely Lottery Act in which case it would be exempt from the Gaming Control Act.
Just my take.
Bronson
stainless1911
Banned
I guess the .gov figures that if you are willing to gamble your money, then you must be willing to gamble your life by leaving your gun at home.
stainless1911
Banned
Is the casino sectioned off from the rest of the facility, and from a legal standpoint, does that even matter? Is this a "premises issue?
PDinDetroit
Regular Member
Rarely have I disagreed with your take and do not do so now.
My bottom $ says that the entire building is off-limits to OC and CC due to the way the law is written and what has been described here. If this is truly the case, then the Building Owner should probably put up a sign to ensure that no Patrons get "jammed-up" over it.
dva2: Welcome to OCDO. I would suggest that you also post this question over at Michigan Gun Owners (MGO) in the Legal Beagles Forum Section. There are some lawyers there very well versed in Firearm Rights and Laws.
http://www.migunowners.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=180
http://www.migunowners.org/
Well, besides WI.You are always welcome here.
DrTodd
Michigan Moderator
I disagree. I don't think that the place qualifies as a "casino" under the control of the Gaming Board. The act does give an indication that it might be considered a casino, but then lists a number of exceptions.
The law states that:
32.204a Michigan gaming control board; jurisdiction; powers.
Sec. 4a. (1) The board shall have jurisdiction over and shall supervise all gambling operations governed by this act. The board shall have all powers necessary and proper to fully and effectively execute this act, including, but not limited to, the authority to do all of the following:
(a) Investigate applicants and determine the eligibility of applicants for licenses or registration and to grant licenses to applicants in accordance with this act and the rules promulgated under this act.
(b) Have jurisdiction over and supervise casino gambling operations authorized by this act and all persons in casinos where gambling operations are conducted under this act.
That being the case, it appears that any place which is defined as a casino under this act would therefore be under the control of the gaming control board. Since the gaming control board ONLY lists the Detroit area casinos as under their control, it appears that this bowling alley/ gambling hall doesn't qualify.
The poster would know if the place was a casino under the board's control: he would have had to submit to licensing under the casino board which is a very severe process. (Yes, all employees are also licensed by the board to keep out "mob" ties)
Believe me, he would know. Most places that choose to have some sort of gaming with another activity, in this case bowling, would choose to be licensed under some other state agency, which then affords them an exemption.
The place is probably licensed under the Liquor Control Commission. If so, they are exempt from the control of the board and would not be considered a casino under the law.
Citation:
http://www.michigan.gov/mgcb
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TheQ
Regular Member
In Lansing we have "trippers", a restaurant/bar that has a poker/gaming area. Would this be a casino?
Bronson
Regular Member
eastmeyers
Regular Member
I have read these same points, statements, cites, and quotes, by DrTodd himself, before. That is why I felt confident before, with my statements. Thank you very much Dr. Todd for providing them again, I would have drugged though and found them myself, but when I came back to check up you had already done so. Thank you DrTodd.
I do hope this clears up the reason I thought what I thought.
To the OP, FYI this may come off as bickering on this thread, but honestly it is not, not in the least, it is great minds coming together, to offer opinions, and find facts. Please stick around!
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Bronson
Regular Member
Yes, this.
For most of us this is where we hash out ideas and compare notes on our individual researches into the law. I actually want other people to poke holes in things I find. I want them to say "nope, you've got it all wrong" and then offer proof of their assertions. It is through doing so that we all learn more.
Bronson