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    GRNC Alert 5-15-11: Fate of NC Gun Bills in Senate

    Grass Roots North Carolina, P.O. Box 10665, Raleigh, NC 27605, 919-664-8565,

    GRNC Alert 5-15-11:
    Fate of NC Gun Bills in Senate

    Destiny of Bills You Asked for Discussed This Week

    The fate of pro-gun bills such as HB 111, the parks and restaurants bill, and the Castle Doctrine will be discussed this week by NC Senate leadership. As you have likely heard, many polls are being crafted to misrepresent public opinion on CCW in parks and restaurants. So it is vital that they hear from you that this is a priority. If HB 111 is to pass before intended adjournment on July 1, they must begin moving it now. See the important points that you need to make below:

    Permit-Holders Proven Responsible

    * According to the NC State Bureau of Investigation, 336,743 concealed handgun permits have been approved, yet only 1007 (0.29% -- less than 1/3 of a single percent) have been revoked for any reason, with most revocations unrelated to guns.

    * Although the SBI doesn't track reasons for revocation, evidence from elsewhere suggests the vast majority of revocations are for reasons unrelated to guns. In Florida, for example, where 1,935,222 permits were issued, only 168 (.009%) were revoked due to misuse of firearms.

    * As in the 37 other states with concealed handgun laws, North Carolina permit-holders have a 16 year track record of proving themselves sane, sober and law-abiding.

    * "Wild west" predictions of "shootings at traffic lights" by the law's opponents have proven false in North Carolina as in all of the 37 states which have adopted such laws.

    Why Parks?

    * State parks: Although violent crime overall has dropped by 27.7% since inception of concealed carry, ostensibly "gun free" state parks have not benefited from the deterrence effect of the law, experiencing only an estimated drop of 8.93%, including an estimated 72 violent crimes and 1278 property crimes.

    * Municipal parks: Violent crime rates for municipal parks are not tracked by the State Bureau of Investigation, but urban settings and frequent news reports of rapes, murders and assaults suggests a much higher rate and number of violent crimes, perhaps numbering in the thousands.

    * Deterrence effect: Controlled, multi-variate studies of concealed handgun permit laws around the country show they deter murder, rape and aggravated assault.

    * Net benefit: Beyond allowing joggers, hikers and families enjoying North Carolina's state and municipal parks to protect themselves against violent predators, HB 111 is likely to create a drop in crime by deterring criminals who search for unarmed victims.

    Why Restaurants?

    * Restaurant carry is not untested: Even The New York Times admits that at least 39 states (by some counts, 40 states) permit concealed carry in restaurants.

    * Even a simple buffet restaurant is off limits to concealed carry if it has an on-premises alcohol consumption permit. When concealed handgun permit-holders go to such restaurants, they and their families are unprotected not only there but also in surrounding neighborhoods and parking lots.

    * Nothing would change the current prohibition on consuming alcohol while carrying concealed firearms contained in § 14-415.11 (c).

    * Restaurant owners would still have the option of posting against firearms under § 14-415.11 (c).

    * The North Carolina Restaurant & Lodging Association (NCRLA) has said that it does not oppose the bill.

    * GRNC strongly advises you to oppose the "Guice Amendment," made in the House, under which municipalities could ban firearms in recreational facilities. Those facilities are precisely where permit-holders most need to protect family members.

    * Both Virginia (4/10) and Tennessee (6/10) have adopted restaurant carry without reported problems.


    * Contact the members of the Senate Judiciary II Committee (listed following the message).
    * Deliver this message:

    Dear Senate Judiciary II Committee Member:

    I am writing you to let you know that HB 111, "Handgun Permit Valid in Parks & Restaurants," is a priority. In order to meet your intended adjournment of July 1 - as has been stated as a goal - it is vital that you communicate to your leadership to get HB 111 moving now. Another top priority is the long awaited Castle Doctrine. Remember, there are former legislators who are now at home rather than in Raleigh for opposing this important measure. Recently anti-gunners in the media and academia have concocted skewed polls to scare you into inaction on these important matters. Don't be fooled. Also do not buy the misinformation campaign on the issues.

    Permit holders have proven to be sane, sober and law abiding over the last 16 years. Less than one-third of one percent of permits has been revoked for any reason - mostly non-gun related. Many of the less reasonable in society crowed that there would be "wild west" scenarios leading to shootouts at every minor clash, such as fender benders. That simply has not happened. It is important that HB 111 pass for a number of reasons. The 27.7% drop in violent crime since the inception of the concealed carry law has not been reflected in the gun free zones of state parks, which have only seen a decrease of 8.93%. The correlation between arming those who would otherwise be victims and drops in crime is clear. In restaurant carry - despite outright falsehoods being reported - nothing would change in relation to disallowing those consuming alcohol from being armed, however; those not imbibing would have the option of armed self protection within the restaurant and even more importantly, the highly vulnerable parking lots outside. It is important to note that despite outside pressure, the North Carolina Restaurant & Lodging Association (NCRLA) does not oppose HB 111.

    I urge you support and pass this important bill. I will be monitoring the progress of HB 111 and your actions on this matter through the alerts of Grass Roots North Carolina.


    A Concerned North Carolina Voter

    * Contact these legislators:

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    Full Contact Info:

    Senator Austin M. Allran
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 625
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 733-5876

    Senator Warren Daniel
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 411
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 715-7823

    Senator E. S. (Buck) Newton
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 410
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 715-3030

    Senator Doug Berger
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 516
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 715-8363

    Senator Stan Bingham
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 2117
    Raleigh, NC 27601-2808
    (919) 733-5665

    Senator Dan Blue
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 1117
    Raleigh, NC 27601-2808
    (919) 733-5752

    Senator Debbie A. Clary
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 314
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 715-3038

    Senator Jim Davis
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 2111
    Raleigh, NC 27601-2808
    (919) 733-5875

    Senator Don East
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 522
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 733-5743

    Senator James Forrester
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 1028
    Raleigh, NC 27601-2808
    (919) 715-3050

    Senator Fletcher L. Hartsell, Jr.
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 300-C
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 733-7223

    Senator Ed Jones
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 518
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 715-3032

    Senator Tommy Tucker
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 311
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 733-7659

    Senator Don Vaughan
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 515
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 733-5856

    Senator Harris Blake
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 408
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 733-4809

    Senator Charlie Smith Dannelly
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 1127
    Raleigh, NC 27601-2808
    (919) 733-5955

    Senator Floyd B. McKissick, Jr.
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 520
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925
    (919) 733-4599


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    One point that you miss on Restaurant carry prohibition is that according to the NC SBI, the vast majority of firearms that are reported stolen are stolen from people's automobiles.

    Requiring licensed CHP holders to leave their guns in their cars when patronizing restaurants that serve alcohol is dangerous NOT JUST because it leaves such patrons unable to defend themselves--it also gives criminals "easy pickins" to steal their guns from unattended cars in unsecured parking lots.

    The "restaurant prohibition" actually puts guns INTO THE HANDS of criminals...
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    I sent this email to these legislators last night and received the following from Sen. Warren Daniel this morning.

    Dear Mr. <removed>,

    Thank you for your letter regarding HB 111. I strongly support our 2nd Amendment right to allow persons with concealed handgun permits to protect themselves and their families in state parks and restaurants.

    Recently, the federal government passed HR 627 that prohibits the Secretary of the Interior from enacting or enforcing any regulations that restrict possession of firearms in National Parks or Wildlife Refuges. I see HB 111 as a logical extension of federal law into our state parks.

    Again, thank you for contacting me on this issue. I feel it is very important for legal gun owners have the right to exercise their 2nd Amendment right to bears arms and to protect themselves. Feel free to contact me if I can ever be of any assistance.


    Senator Warren T. Daniel

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    I got this from Daniel the other week, he's my Senate rep and seems very pro 2A.

    Since the crossover deadline is June 9, the Senate is focusing on mostly Senate bills that have to pass prior to that date. If they don’t, they can’t be considered this session. In regard to 2nd amendment type bills, I think that ultimately there will probably be several of those that are consolidated into one bill later in the session and passed as a whole. I get your point on the Guice amendment. Will discuss it in committee. Thanks for your input.

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