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    SB90 and SB93 Fiscal Estimates

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    Cool Cover your keyboard!

    Then it could be said that Constitutional Carry gives the most bang for the buck.... (Sorry, McX....)
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    The Department of Justice does not anticipate a fiscal impact due to the enactment of 2011 Senate Bill 93.
    Golly G Whiz, Duh!

    This was one of the original arguments FOR Constitutional Carry.

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    Hhhhhhmmmmmm, when faced with this situation i wonder what number 6 would do?

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    In a cash-strapped state like WI this seems a no-brainer . . . .
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    I had said, instead of the 1 & 2 Million dollar a year permit systems that would never make enough to support itself, us tax payers would like to see Constitutional carry which is FREE
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    The Department of Justice does not anticipate a fiscal impact due to the enactment of 2011 Senate Bill 93.
    How many other bills (that actually do something) get that statement?!?!

    For SB90,
    Total first year costs: $2,106,164
    Total second & each following year costs: $1,088,780
    And they're thinking they'll get a minimum of 100K applications the first year.
    Again, why should WI be different from our neighbors? Our population (as of the 2010 count) was 5.6 million.

    For MN:
    2003, (about) 15,800 applications
    2005, 7400
    2006, 9600
    2007, 9300
    2008, 21,600
    2009, 22,400
    2010, 17,200 applications, just over 79K valid permits.
    [slightly over 5 million population, & they do issue & honor non-resident permits]
    (Reports available @ bottom of page here.)

    For MI:
    2002, 63,000
    2003, 30,000
    2004, 35,600
    2005, 58,400
    2006, 40,200
    2007, 22,400
    2008, 33,400
    2009, 73,000
    2010, 90,800 [population just under 10 million]
    MI neither issues nor honors non-resident permits; in order to carry openly, you must have a permit, but you can't conceal w/o a MI permit.
    Reports available here
    Reports also detail apps denied & why, licenses revoked & why, & they track the # of suicides by permit holders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McX
    when faced with this situation i wonder what number 6 would do?
    You've been watching too much Sesame Street.
    Quote Originally Posted by MLK, Jr
    The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort & convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge & controversy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbs 27:12
    A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions.
    The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.
    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbs 31:17
    She dresses herself with strength and makes her arms strong.

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    Just to be clear, Michigan honors non resident permits as long as you are a resident of the state who issued the permit. Utah permit for Utah resident is ok. Utah permit for Wisconsin resident is not ok.

    http://www.michigan.gov/msp/1,1607,7...0957--,00.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by apierce918 View Post
    Just to be clear, Michigan honors non resident permits as long as you are a resident of the state who issued the permit. Utah permit for Utah resident is ok. Utah permit for Wisconsin resident is not ok.

    http://www.michigan.gov/msp/1,1607,7...0957--,00.html
    We've been through this before. You can OC in MI with a non-resident permit.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ry-in-Michigan
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    We've been through this before. You can OC in MI with a non-resident permit.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ry-in-Michigan
    I was referring to MKEGal's comment saying you cannot conceal in MI w/o a MI permit. I should have made that clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apierce918 View Post
    I was referring to MKEGal's comment saying you cannot conceal in MI w/o a MI permit. I should have made that clear.
    Yes sir, you should have.
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