Firearms banned at Muskegon Summer Celebration

scot623 · May 17, 2011

MOC has initiated contact with the directors of the Muskegon Summer Celebration. http://www.summercelebration.com/
They have a firearm ban we are working to reverse. Stay tuned for updates.

autosurgeon · May 17, 2011

Thanks for initiating contact! I hope they respond to you as they ignored me last year... of course now we have examples! That helps I think.

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WilDChilD · May 17, 2011

Good this bullsh!t has gone on long enough. I live on the west side and take many trips to the coast over the summer so this is one i am very interested in. I also would like to know if they have any seating like the web site suggest. Looks like you bring your own chair so I dont think that would qualify. Iam getting my popcorn and going to sit back and enjoy the updates on this one. If there is anything the masses can do let us know.

jm62383 · May 17, 2011

Heritage landing is county owned correct?

HKcarrier · May 17, 2011

Nice... one victory, and on to the next!!!! I like the way you operate!

scot623 · May 17, 2011

jm62383 said:
Heritage landing is county owned correct?

Yes. If anyone can get there hands on a copy of the contract between the promoters and the county(I'm assuming county since it's held on county property), it would be much appreciated.

DrTodd · May 17, 2011

I recall that we had a thread from last year that may have had much information that would be useful... probably gone when the switch happened. I'll see what I can dig up. As I recall, I believe Crimdoc may have OC'd there... or maybe cc???

DrTodd · May 17, 2011

scot623 said:
Yes. If anyone can get there hands on a copy of the contract between the promoters and the county(I'm assuming county since it's held on county property), it would be much appreciated.

The License Agreement starts at page 5 of the following document. Additionally, the document states "that this Agreement contains the entire understanding and agreement of the parties"... so I think this is it.

http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us/boardofcommissioners/agendas/cd_11_04_21.pdf

Tucker6900 · May 18, 2011

DrTodd said:
The License Agreement starts at page 5 of the following document. Additionally, the document states "that this Agreement contains the entire understanding and agreement of the parties"... so I think this is it.

http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us/boardofcommissioners/agendas/cd_11_04_21.pdf

From the looks of it, this should be a slam dunk. There is more than one statement on that contract that says the licensee shall follow all state laws. Good luck with this one guys.

scot623 · May 18, 2011

DrTodd said:
The License Agreement starts at page 5 of the following document. Additionally, the document states "that this Agreement contains the entire understanding and agreement of the parties"... so I think this is it.

http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us/boardofcommissioners/agendas/cd_11_04_21.pdf

Thanks. The County Commissioners have been emailed.

eastmeyers · May 18, 2011

Good to go guys! Thanks MOC OCDO!

Big Gay Al · May 19, 2011

What I like is their selective omission of the word "seating."

Firearms are not allowed at any Summer Celebration venue even with a permit. Heritage Landing is an entertainment venue with a capacity greater than 2,500.

And of course, the law actually reads:

28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsection
(1); violation; penalties.
(f) An entertainment facility with a seating capacity of 2,500 or more...

nightstrike · May 19, 2011

Hello Big Al ,

Assuming that the celebration venue has a ''seating'' capacity of more than 2500 (which offcourse is nonsense),doesn't that only apply to those who do not have a CPL?

I can't see any justification for this ban.

Good night

Big Gay Al · May 19, 2011

nightstrike said:
Hello Big Al ,

Assuming that the celebration venue has a ''seating'' capacity of more than 2500 (which offcourse is nonsense),doesn't that only apply to those who do not have a CPL?

I can't see any justification for this ban.

Good night

Unfortunately, the seating cap ban is from the CPL list of PFZs. However, there is no corresponding prohibition listed on the places where firearms can be OCed. In addition, I think AG opinion 7120 would prevail here that says:

It is my opinion, therefore, that a municipal outdoor recreation park does not, by itself, constitute an “entertainment facility” within the meaning of section 5o(1)(f) of the Concealed Pistol Licensing Act, and thus is not a gun-free zone as established by that statute.

JENNIFER M. GRANHOLM
Attorney General

In many ways, good old Jenny was a much better AG than she ever was a governor.

Onnie · May 22, 2011

from the pictures ive seen there are no seats the "seating" area is all grass and you bring in your own lawn chairs

kubel · May 22, 2011

1) Muskegon County classifies Heritage Landing as a park / beach.

2) Parks are not entertainment facilities.
http://www.ag.state.mi.us/opinion/datafiles/2000s/op10195.htm

3) Heritage Landing does have a structure (a pavilion), but its seating capacity is not 2500. Entertainment facilities need 2500 seats to qualify for 5o(1)(f) of the CPLA. And as mentioned in opinion 7120, if the park did have a pavilion capable of seating 2500, only that portion of the park would be restricted.

4) Even if it did have 2500 seats and was an entertainment facility, you can still open carry, which is probably what you were planning on doing anyway.

jm62383 · Jun 4, 2011

Has anyone heard anything back yet?

scot623 · Jun 4, 2011

Second email sent last week, no response. I'll be calling Monday.

autosurgeon · Jun 4, 2011

Good luck... they are most likely stonewalling hoping to make it through another year with their little nazi policy in place.

mastiff69 · Jun 4, 2011

Auto it looks like it might be time to go for another ride this year to Muskegon summer celebration,

Last year it was a ride to New Era, i thought that that went rather well !

I am up for a ride, if this can't be settled, (ps) cabman has his bike this year also!

CALLING ALL OC BIKERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CONTACT AUTO ! HEHEHE !!!

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