Restoration of the right to posses firearms case...by a retired LEO.

maclean said:

He was convicted of a felony crime by due process, a condition of his conviction was not possessing a firearm unless and until that right is restored by the same due process.

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He could move to Montana and immediately have his rights restored afaik (within the state border, while a legal resident, etc).

Dave_pro2a said:

He could move to Montana and immediately have his rights restored afaik (within the state border, while a legal resident, etc).

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I'm not sure. Don't know what Montana law says.

Seems a shame/sham that a person who makes a mistake pays "his debt to society" turns his life around can than be denied his "inalienable" rights.

Let's not forget the constitution limits the governments power to infringe not the peoples. And since the second amendment specifically says they shall not infringe, it is a bit of a stretch in my mind that the government, courts may "indefinately" take away a natural right?

sudden valley gunner said:

Seems a shame/sham that a person who makes a mistake pays "his debt to society" turns his life around can than be denied his "inalienable" rights.

Let's not forget the constitution limits the governments power to infringe not the peoples. And since the second amendment specifically says they shall not infringe, it is a bit of a stretch in my mind that the government, courts may "indefinately" take away a natural right?

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Due process.

It says it right there in the document.

Now without due process, I'm right there with you.

The idea, BTW, goes back to a Scotsman. I'm a wee bit proud of that.

Read Hutcheson - Jefferson stole the idea from him.

maclean said:

Due process.

It says it right there in the document.

Now without due process, I'm right there with you.

The idea, BTW, goes back to a Scotsman. I'm a wee bit proud of that.

Read Hutcheson - Jefferson stole the idea from him.

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Do you mean Madison? Since he was the one that wrote that clause? I would rather read up on his reasoning for inserting this clause ( A rewritten version of the clause submitted to him by New York).

So can a felon who has done his time be denied his free speech? His 4th amendment right? His right not to incriminate himself? etc?

I think Madison might not agree with courts modern definition of due process and how it is often abused. ( besides it's not the courts intended purpose to define the constitution).

sudden valley gunner said:

Do you mean Madison? Since he was the one that wrote that clause? I would rather read up on his reasoning for inserting this clause ( A rewritten version of the clause submitted to him by New York).

So can a felon who has done his time be denied his free speech? His 4th amendment right? His right not to incriminate himself? etc?

I think Madison might not agree with courts modern definition of due process and how it is often abused. ( besides it's not the courts intended purpose to define the constitution).

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No, I meant Jefferson.

Madison and Jefferson conversed, but Jefferson made the distinction between alienable and inalienable from Hutcheson's influence.

There is more than one instance of the mention of due process in the document. The history is fascinating, and has been my hobby/love since I was 14.

I'm certain Madison and Jefferson would take issue with many things. On this we agree.

On the outcome of due process, I'm not so certain.

maclean said:

No, I meant Jefferson.

Madison and Jefferson conversed, but Jefferson made the distinction between alienable and inalienable from Hutcheson's influence.

There is more than one instance of the mention of due process in the document. The history is fascinating, and has been my hobby/love since I was 14.

I'm certain Madison and Jefferson would take issue with many things. On this we agree.

On the outcome of due process, I'm not so certain.

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Well since your post didn't mention inalienable rights but was discussing due process.

Yes the two amendments that have it is fascinating. So is the history of the abuse and misuse of it by the courts and its minions.

Now again, do you feel they have the right to indefinitely take away your 1st amendment rights? Your right not to discriminate against yourself? Your right not to feel secure in your person and affects?

Read up on Hutcheson I won't deny that founders may have quoted him, but many scholars rebut Gary Wills "theory" of his influence. And doubt they "stole" anything from them. Maybe borrowed, like they borrowed much from the indigenous people of the land.