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What's more important: Your rights or?

Stat

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"Police officers may now knock, listen, then break the door down, never mind that they had ample time to obtain a warrant," says Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said. (AP Photo/Joseph Oliver)
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amlevin

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It's interesting that this was an 8-1 Decision. All of the Conservatives sided with this and Ginsburg was against it?

Isn't it supposed to be the Liberals that are trying to waste everyone's Rights under the BoR's?
 
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sudden valley gunner

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It's interesting that this was an 8-1 Decision. All of the Conservatives sided with this and Ginsburg was against it?

Isn't it supposed to be the Liberals that are trying to waste everyone's Rights under the BoR's?

What have I been saying all along? "Conservatives" are not for our rights when it conflicts with their agenda. The wrong thinking of "law and order" ( a very anti liberty way of thinking) has taken over.

The police state is here, the checks and balances are done, I have no faith in the legal system that colludes with law enforcement and government to protect their interests.
 

Bucks Gun Shop

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Saw this last night on the news... Simply Un-Be-Leiv-Able!!!! While I am absolutely against drugs, our Constitution is very clear that knocking, smelling, and crashing down the door is illegal search and seizure... It seems to me that I also hear on the news last night that if the police accidently storm into your house, you cannot resisit arrest... How the hell do I tell the difference between the police and someone dressed up as the police????
 

sudden valley gunner

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Saw this last night on the news... Simply Un-Be-Leiv-Able!!!! While I am absolutely against drugs, our Constitution is very clear that knocking, smelling, and crashing down the door is illegal search and seizure... It seems to me that I also hear on the news last night that if the police accidently storm into your house, you cannot resisit arrest... How the hell do I tell the difference between the police and someone dressed up as the police????

I am against drugs too, I am also more against the unconstitutional, drug laws. I am even more against those who insist upon enforcing malum prohibitum laws.
 
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amzbrady

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Is it even an American Judge?

So if someone in the nieghborhood is burning leaves and a cop wants to invade your home, they can say they smelled mary jane and hopefully your not in the shower when they invade and do a take down, or hopefully a skunk hasnt sprayed in your area. 1 by 1 they are taking our rights away. Unfortunatly I dont think enough people are on board to turn things around, or even realize or care this is happening. I look around and see less and less True Americans. I see alot of American kids who would rather be gangsters, and are only worried about how loud they can get their speakers to bump, how low they can sag, or how they can get mom and dad to pay for their next tattoo, or piercing. I just hope when SHTF that there are enough of us to make a difference cause I also see alot of different cultures who figure even with stricter laws this is still better than where they came from, and most probably even think that this wont effect them. Seems to me we're on our way to a socialist society. Hell even my daughter see's it. She comes home crying almost everyday because she gets picked on by the hispanic children in her school, There are 3 caucasion kids including her and 1 African American girl and they all get picked on by the mexicans. They are very racial and hatefull. She got hit and by a hispanic boy, and got her glasses broken, she hit him back to make him stop. The principal said he can not do anything to the boy because my daughter retaliated. I told the principal she defended herself. Maybe I should go punch him in the nose and see if he retaliates. They are teaching our kids just to sit down, shut up, and accept what ever they are told. Just the way our govenment wants us to behave.

OK, I done venting for the moment. This kind of news just really P!$$e$ me off.
 

jarhead1911A

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Yup our rights are being taken 1 by 1 and the courts do this because those who decide right from wrong do not live by the same laws we have to.

No 4th or not anyone comes into my house unannouced and its gunna be a really bad day for them... i dont care who u are or what clothing your wearing...

Mark my words folks our gun rights are next!!!!!!!
 

blackmarine

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Is it even an American Judge?

So if someone in the nieghborhood is burning leaves and a cop wants to invade your home, they can say they smelled mary jane and hopefully your not in the shower when they invade and do a take down, or hopefully a skunk hasnt sprayed in your area. 1 by 1 they are taking our rights away. Unfortunatly I dont think enough people are on board to turn things around, or even realize or care this is happening. I look around and see less and less True Americans. I see alot of American kids who would rather be gangsters, and are only worried about how loud they can get their speakers to bump, how low they can sag, or how they can get mom and dad to pay for their next tattoo, or piercing. I just hope when SHTF that there are enough of us to make a difference cause I also see alot of different cultures who figure even with stricter laws this is still better than where they came from, and most probably even think that this wont effect them. Seems to me we're on our way to a socialist society. Hell even my daughter see's it. She comes home crying almost everyday because she gets picked on by the hispanic children in her school, There are 3 caucasion kids including her and 1 African American girl and they all get picked on by the mexicans. They are very racial and hatefull. She got hit and by a hispanic boy, and got her glasses broken, she hit him back to make him stop. The principal said he can not do anything to the boy because my daughter retaliated. I told the principal she defended herself. Maybe I should go punch him in the nose and see if he retaliates. They are teaching our kids just to sit down, shut up, and accept what ever they are told. Just the way our govenment wants us to behave.

OK, I done venting for the moment. This kind of news just really P!$$e$ me off.

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sudden valley gunner

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Yup our rights are being taken 1 by 1 and the courts do this because those who decide right from wrong do not live by the same laws we have to.

No 4th or not anyone comes into my house unannouced and its gunna be a really bad day for them... i dont care who u are or what clothing your wearing...

Mark my words folks our gun rights are next!!!!!!!

Marc I know in my heart of hearts you are a 3% er. And I would stand behind your right to take out as many as you can. The SCOTUS ruled several times before you have that right, I doubt they'd rule that way anymore.
 

HK_dave

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I just hope when SHTF

when? the sh!t IS hitting the fan. it's just happening so slowly no one sees it for what it is.


Yeah, it's only gonna be about a second, boy
'Til they take away all'a this country
And they'll tell you not to listen to this here song
And that far-off sound of freedom's
Gonna be an echo from the past
And the final tune is gonna be sad and long

C.W. McCall
 

Gray Peterson

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As terrible as this decision is, we would do well to remember we here in Washington State have Article 1 Section 7 of our state constitution. Next month's CJTC LED will talk about this and I surmise that include in rather large letters that the decision does not apply in WA state.
 

Lovenox

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Not trying to rock the boat here but if the same officers heard someone screaming inside you guys are saying they should get a search warrant? Regardless of what you think about the drug laws as they stand arent they obligated to sieze evidence before it gets disposed of or "used". I will temper my statement by saying that I don't nessasarily agree with this just throwing something out there..
 

Washintonian_For_Liberty

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If today the Constitution means “just what the interpreter chooses it to mean”, then the Court and Congress have set themselves above the Constitution and it no longer serves as America’s anchor of freedom, justice and law but has degenerated into that “living, breathing document” whose meaning can change routinely, blown along by prevailing political winds.

This was NOT the original intent, not if we truly believe the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and that no man is above the law and this includes all branches of government including the courts.

As a favorite judge of mine put it, “Interpreting the Constitution as a "living, breathing document" subject to reinvention according to the political whims of the moment is not just bad policy. It is a suicide pact.”

The Constitution was never meant to be 'interpreted'. Interpretation gives wide latitude to the interpreter while a strict objective reading based on the vocabulary used leaves only one interpretation. No one will argue that contracts can be interpreted differently by different people based on their own definition of words. Contracts must have strict singular meanings or they are useless. Most contracts allow for modification in the form of amendments. The Constitution is no different. You cannot change, modify or add to the meaning of the Constitution by interpretation... but you can do all those things via the amendment process. What the SCOTUS has done, and what all courts have been doing for quite some time now is substituting opinion for objective definitions.

The solution is quite simple. We must demand the most narrow, strict and objective interpretation of the Constitution based on the vocabulary of the day. We must reject any and all "reasonable" interpretations as the subjective opinions they are. We either restore the Republic fully, or this decade will be the last we will have as a nation of individual liberty. We are on the precipice and if we do not pull back now, the dominoes will take us all down.
 

Bucks Gun Shop

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but if the same officers heard someone screaming inside you guys are saying they should get a search warrant?

Lovenox - I cannot speak for the others, and I certainly don't know the law as well as 0.001% of the forum users here, but I believe that the police have for quite sometime had the right to enter in circumstances where they have "reason" to believe that life is in jepoardy - and I will accept that infringement on my rights to protect the life of a human being. However, I will not accept them infringing upon my rights when the life of a human being is not in jepoardy...
 
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