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    Is Dearborn breaking Michigan's preemption law?

    Hello!

    I walked up to the records bureau counter inside the Dearborn police station today. This area is open to the public in that it's connected to the main lobby. On the counter there is a sign that says something along the lines of ''Please do not DISPLAY,LOAD,HANDLE weapons at counter''

    Is this not a blatant violation of Michigan's preemption law? If so , how can we get it removed?

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    I don't have the sign in front of me, but if it is the way you say it is , then i would say they want you to keep your firearm in your holster case etc... aka keep your hands off your weapon !!
    perfectly normal request

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastiff69 View Post
    I don't have the sign in front of me, but if it is the way you say it is , then i would say they want you to keep your firearm in your holster case etc... aka keep your hands off your weapon !!
    perfectly normal request
    I agree.

    If the sign says exactly what you say, I'd interpret that to say "Keep your weapon holstered."

    Or, in the eyes of the police, 'you don't touch yours, they don't touch theirs.'
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    Thanks for the input guys,

    I haven't tried to open carry there to see if their definition of 'display' means unholstered weapon. The sign is probably as I written above.

    On a different note, glad to join this forum - the open carry movement is rapidly growing.

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    Welcome Nightstrike... carry on!
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastiff69 View Post
    I don't have the sign in front of me, but if it is the way you say it is , then i would say they want you to keep your firearm in your holster case etc... aka keep your hands off your weapon !!
    perfectly normal request
    Quote Originally Posted by malignity View Post
    I agree.

    If the sign says exactly what you say, I'd interpret that to say "Keep your weapon holstered."

    Or, in the eyes of the police, 'you don't touch yours, they don't touch theirs.'
    This is how I read it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightstrike View Post
    Thanks for the input guys,

    I haven't tried to open carry there to see if their definition of 'display' means unholstered weapon. The sign is probably as I written above.

    On a different note, glad to join this forum - the open carry movement is rapidly growing.

    Nightstrike
    If you open carry there and something bad develops from this, let us know and MOC will take steps to correct it.

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    Thanks for the welcome -- I've actually been lurking on this forum for some time now

    Excellent job you guys do on educating the PD's and the public

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightstrike View Post
    Thanks for the welcome -- I've actually been lurking on this forum for some time now

    Excellent job you guys do on educating the PD's and the public
    WELCOME welcome welcome to OCDO nightstrike!
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    The sign probably dates back to when we had to take handguns to the police station for "safety inspection." I'm sure they had a few issues with the way people handled the firearms when they brought them in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budlight View Post
    The sign probably dates back to when we had to take handguns to the police station for "safety inspection." I'm sure they had a few issues with the way people handled the firearms when they brought them in.
    That was my interpretation too. Shouldn't mean anything about OC in a holster
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    You should see the sign outside of the Battle Creek City offices building. It says something like "anybody carrying a firearm, or suspected of carrying a firearm, may be required to have a police escort while in the building."

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    Wouldn't that be a violation of privacy?

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    Question Huh????

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You should see the sign outside of the Battle Creek City offices building. It says something like "anybody carrying a firearm, or suspected of carrying a firearm, may be required to have a police escort while in the building."

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    Wow! Never knew Battle Creek PD had so little to do with their time other than to follow people around who are 'suspected' of OBEYING THE LAW? Silly is as silly does I guess. Carry on
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    hehe, i wonder how they would respond to multiple simultaneous firearms. would they bring in cops off the street?
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    I agree with the above comments that that as a demand, this makes sense. But even still, the word "please", in my opinion implies a request that they know they may or may not be able to enforce. This is unlike the OCSD which has that straight forward and pesky no guns sign which I love OCing past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    I agree with the above comments that that as a demand, this makes sense. But even still, the word "please", in my opinion implies a request that they know they may or may not be able to enforce. This is unlike the OCSD which has that straight forward and pesky no guns sign which I love OCing past.
    A "magical sign" does not stop firearm carry?

    Imagine that!

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    The one at the records building?

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    Well I ran down to Dearborn PD today , met an older LEO at the desk . I asked him how they feel about open carry , he said its your right to carry openly on your hip you just draw some attention to yourself. He said they haven't had too many incidents with open carriers, mentioned the one at fairlane lol...gun point. I don't recall which one of you it was

    Forgot to ask about that sign though but in context of everything, Dearborn PD is probably on the softer side of things when it comes to dealing with OCers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    This is how I read it too.
    Quote Originally Posted by malignity View Post
    I agree.

    If the sign says exactly what you say, I'd interpret that to say "Keep your weapon holstered."

    Or, in the eyes of the police, 'you don't touch yours, they don't touch theirs.'
    Gives me an idea for a tee shirt-

    'If you show me your's, I WILL show you mine!'
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    I like it =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Bear View Post
    Gives me an idea for a tee shirt-

    'If you show me your's, I WILL show you mine!'
    +100

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Wouldn't that be a violation of privacy?
    Not if there isn't a reasonable expectation of privacy. Only place you would find that in a public building would be restroom stalls.

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