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    Impassioned, Portantino and his peers can't get their facts straight with AB 144

    Assemblyman Anthony Portantino and his anti-gun peers in the California State Assembly are growing agitated about the mounting political opposition against AB 144, as clearly demonstrated by the recent Assembly floor debate and vote on Open Carry in the Golden State.

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...ht-with-ab-144

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    As an Illinois resident I understand the fight that you are going through right now. I hope that you will redouble your efforts to defeat AB144. Good luck and God speed. Carry on!

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    AB 144, if passed, would cause law abiding citizens to become criminals by virtue of simply exercising their rights to enjoy lawful target shooting upon public lands, i.e., lands owned by BLM.

    Based on the definitions of this proposed bill (Ref section 26388) it would include those people simply removing there lawfully transported and unloaded handgun from its locked container, once on public lands and carrying said unloaded weapon from their vehicle to a firing line.

    "AB 144 section 26388 makes it a crime to Openly Carry an Unloaded Handgun on Public Lands unless the person carrying that handgun is listed as the registered owner of said handgun with the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 11106"

    As you may know, handgun registration has only been required since 1991 and is only required on the sale/transfer of handguns sold within California. Nothing in the law compelled owners of legally acquired handguns prior to this date (law) to register said handguns. However, if this bill passes, it will require all citizens of the State of California to either register said handguns, if unloaded open carried on public lands or risk arrest.

    So lets see what happens after this bill passes and some over zealous park ranger decides they need to run your handguns serial number to verify your the registered owner.

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    FROM THE EXAMINER ARTICLE: "The current reality is that violent criminals are attacking and killing our police officers with a growing and brazen impunity."

    I did a little research and apparently while they may be more brazen, the numbers have not increased.
    I limited my review to the United States during my lifetime, 1960 - 2010 (2011 is not over yet so data is not complete, 31 to date)

    The number of Law Enforcement Officers killed in the line of duty by gunfire in the 60s was similar to what it is in the 2000s. It rose sharply in the 70s and has been declining pretty steadily through the 80s, 90s, and 2000s.

    Source: http://www.odmp.org/
    This website has every single officer reported killed in the U.S. back to 1846.

    1960 - 47
    1961 - 57
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    2007 - 66
    2008 - 40
    2009 - 47
    2010 - 59
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    I suspect that bathing in a bathtub is more dangerous than being a police officer. Does anyone know the number of bathtub deaths through the years?

    edit: Just found this for the year 2000
    Drowning and submersion while in or falling into bath-tub 341
    site: http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoligny View Post
    FROM THE EXAMINER ARTICLE: "The current reality is that violent criminals are attacking and killing our police officers with a growing and brazen impunity."

    I did a little research and apparently while they may be more brazen, the numbers have not increased.
    I limited my review to the United States during my lifetime, 1960 - 2010 (2011 is not over yet so data is not complete, 31 to date)

    The number of Law Enforcement Officers killed in the line of duty by gunfire in the 60s was similar to what it is in the 2000s. It rose sharply in the 70s and has been declining pretty steadily through the 80s, 90s, and 2000s.
    Here's a graph of the data you listed:


    Anyone have data on estimated number of US LEOs per year?

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    You want some very meaningful figures, then make a comparison between the population size of the demographic area and the number of officers killed.

    I think I can safely predict a sharply declining line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoligny View Post
    FROM THE EXAMINER ARTICLE: "The current reality is that violent criminals are attacking and killing our police officers with a growing and brazen impunity."

    I did a little research and apparently while they may be more brazen, the numbers have not increased.
    I limited my review to the United States during my lifetime, 1960 - 2010 (2011 is not over yet so data is not complete, 31 to date)

    The number of Law Enforcement Officers killed in the line of duty by gunfire in the 60s was similar to what it is in the 2000s. It rose sharply in the 70s and has been declining pretty steadily through the 80s, 90s, and 2000s.

    Source: http://www.odmp.org/
    This website has every single officer reported killed in the U.S. back to 1846.

    1960 - 47
    1961 - 57
    1962 - 60
    1963 - 61
    1964 - 62
    1965 - 63
    1966 - 64
    1967 - 86
    1968 - 76
    1969 - 100
    1970 - 107
    1971 - 141
    1972 - 122
    1973 - 142
    1974 - 140
    1975 - 144
    1976 - 105
    1977 - 96
    1978 - 100
    1979 - 112
    1980 - 104
    1981 - 93
    1982 - 91
    1983 - 81
    1984 - 72
    1985 - 76
    1986 - 75
    1987 - 75
    1988 - 80
    1989 - 69
    1990 - 61
    1991 - 73
    1992 - 65
    1993 - 77
    1994 - 84
    1995 - 70
    1996 - 60
    1997 - 68
    1998 - 64
    1999 - 44
    2000 - 50
    2001 - 65
    2002 - 57
    2003 - 48
    2004 - 56
    2005 - 53
    2006 - 51
    2007 - 66
    2008 - 40
    2009 - 47
    2010 - 59
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    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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