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    CADL v. MOC hearing - 5/25@14:30

    The subject of the hearing is CADL's motion for summary disposition.

    Anyone going?

    I plan to get the afternoon off and be there.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    I plan on it.

    Go here to read MOC, Inc's. response/brief. http://www.migunowners.org/forum/sho...d.php?t=135653
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    I'm tenatively planning on being there. If i can sneak away...

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    So far it's looking good. I've got some irons in the fire that may interfere but I'm trying to keep the time open.

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    Nope, got to work, no time off for the wicked !

    The tax collector is waiting to get paid, have to pay the CADL tax of Battle Creek, school tax, etc...etc...
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    Thumbs up

    Best of luck.

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    Wow... that was perhaps the best summarization of our position that I have ever read. I must admit, when I began reading it I thought the individual pieces were always there... the real work was in putting those pieces into a cogent argument. I'm not an attorney so perhaps I'm impressed with what one would expect from legal representation, but the response was, in my opinion, much, much better than I imagined it could be.

    I'm going to see what I can do to be there...
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    silly but serious question

    Having never been to one of these what is the proper dress code for those of us in the peanut gallery? Slacks and a polo shirt? Shirt & tie? Suit?

    I don't want to show up either grossly under or over dressed.

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    Metallica shirt, baggy shorts, low, sandals, tube socks, mismatched, suspenders, gold chain with grille, blue hair, makeup, piercings, and a facial tattoo. Oh yeah, ipod with headphones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Having never been to one of these what is the proper dress code for those of us in the peanut gallery? Slacks and a polo shirt? Shirt & tie? Suit?

    I don't want to show up either grossly under or over dressed.

    Bronson

    You can never be over dressed for court... unless you're in a tux.

    Slacks and a button down shirt would probably be fine. (polo if that is more comfortable to you.. ) I will try to wear a shirt and tie if I can make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Metallica shirt, baggy shorts, low, sandals, tube socks, mismatched, suspenders, gold chain with grille, blue hair, makeup, piercings, and a facial tattoo. Oh yeah, ipod with headphones.
    How'd that work out for you when you went to court?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Having never been to one of these what is the proper dress code for those of us in the peanut gallery?
    Go to Google Images. Search "people of Walmart". Do NOT dress like what you see.

    Seriously, your dress is whatever you feel would reflect well on yourself and our group. Personally, if I'm just in the gallery (not a directly involved party) my minimum would be *nice* jeans (no holes, not too faded, etc.) and a collared shirt (polo or button down).

    As much, if not more, of importance is your manners in court, whether you are a party or a spectator. Be quiet. Do not react, positively or negatively, to what goes on in court. If you're a spectator, briefly cracking a *little* smile or frown to your friends is ok, but keep it to no more than that.

    During the first hearing for CADL vs MOC, we had a big crowd of gun rights supporters, and there were a couple of instances of folks reacting audibly. Let's keep our discipline in court and avoid that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Having never been to one of these what is the proper dress code for those of us in the peanut gallery? Slacks and a polo shirt? Shirt & tie? Suit?

    I don't want to show up either grossly under or over dressed.

    Bronson
    Last time, I showed up Business Casual (Slacks and Dress Shirt). A polo shirt should be fine, unless you think you will be called to the Witness Stand (like Venator was last time).

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    I am working to make sure I can be there. If I cannot make it, take it to them!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    How'd that work out for you when you went to court?

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    Aww come-on.

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    Wont make it this time, I am committed (or I should be) to other stuff!
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    Will there be meeting and eating afterwards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    I plan on it.

    Go here to read MOC, Inc's. response/brief. http://www.migunowners.org/forum/sho...d.php?t=135653
    Can you post what it says as when I follow the site it says I need to log in to view the page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    Can you post what it says as when I follow the site it says I need to log in to view the page.
    Try this. http://www.migunowners.org/forum/att...8&d=1305752233
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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Metallica shirt, baggy shorts, low, sandals, tube socks, mismatched, suspenders, gold chain with grille, blue hair, makeup, piercings, and a facial tattoo. Oh yeah, ipod with headphones.
    Hey, that's how I dress when I OC!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    Go to Google Images. Search "people of Walmart". Do NOT dress like what you see.

    Seriously, your dress is whatever you feel would reflect well on yourself and our group. Personally, if I'm just in the gallery (not a directly involved party) my minimum would be *nice* jeans (no holes, not too faded, etc.) and a collared shirt (polo or button down).

    As much, if not more, of importance is your manners in court, whether you are a party or a spectator. Be quiet. Do not react, positively or negatively, to what goes on in court. If you're a spectator, briefly cracking a *little* smile or frown to your friends is ok, but keep it to no more than that.

    During the first hearing for CADL vs MOC, we had a big crowd of gun rights supporters, and there were a couple of instances of folks reacting audibly. Let's keep our discipline in court and avoid that.
    What? I can't shake my head in disgust???
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    Unfortunately, that time of the day is too late for me. I have to pick my boys up from school at 3:00PM and that school is in Leslie. So unless the lawyers can do their stuff in 20 seconds, and if the judge can reach a fair and CORRECT decision in less than a minute, then I could go. But I seriously doubt it will be that fast.

    In any event, Good Luck to us all on that day. Let's pray the judge has the good judicial sense to see what is right, and what is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Having never been to one of these what is the proper dress code for those of us in the peanut gallery? Slacks and a polo shirt? Shirt & tie? Suit?

    I don't want to show up either grossly under or over dressed.

    Bronson
    as a non-participant in the proceedings you're dress is really irrelevant and i'm sure if you wear what you OC in you'll be fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    That link still requires registration. I'd be willing to post the docs, if that is ok with the "owners".
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