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    "conservative" radio talk show hosts call Constitutional carry "the kook fringe"?

    This audio link is Milwaukee "conservative" radio talk show hosts Charlie Sykes
    and Jeff Wagner discussing the concealed carry legislation.

    (both links are the same audio clip)

    http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/...ction_KEY=6906


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9f0Q...layer_embedded

    Milwaukee "conservative" radio talk show hosts Charlie Sykes and Jeff Wagner think people who support Constitutional Carry are "The kook fringe"

    How nice of supposedly "conservative" radio show hosts to give the anti's
    talking points.

    Charlie calls constitutional carry "complicated" (at the 45 second mark)...
    Complicated???? Really? The constitutional carry bill is 19 pages. It has NO
    fiscal impact. The shall-issue permit bill is 60 pages and will cost MILLIONS.
    Which is complicated???

    LISTEN to Jeff Wagner at the 55 second mark stumble over admitting that
    "registration" is a bad word, but "permitting" is better?

    Contact Charlie Sykes and Jeff Wagner. POLITELY share with them a little about yourself, an average law-abiding Wisconsin resident who doesn't want to have to pay a tax and register with the government to be able to carry discreetly.

    sykes@620wtmj.com

    wagner@620wtmj.com

    email Tom Land, program director and let him know that you don't appreciate
    radio talk show hosts referring to law-abiding Wisconsinites as "kook fringe".

    tland@journalbroadcastgroup.com

    Email the advertising sales manager Tom Sheridan: tsheridan@620wtmj.com and let him know that Wisconsin Carry and the USCCA chose this past week to run our 2-week series of ads on WISN radio instead of WTMJ in part because of comments
    like Charlie and Jeff's.

    Since when did wanting smaller government and fewer taxes become "Kook fringe?"

    Since when did not wanting meaningless permits and registration (its a felony for felons to carry and police, using their radio, can determine in SECONDS during a stop if a person who is carry is legal to do so) become "kook fringe"

    Since when did embracing personal accountability VOLUNTARY training and knowing that people either already have or will seek training out of self-preservation (not shooting themselves handling their gun AND staying out of jail because using your gun unlawfully will get you a quick trip to jail) and government training mandates are not effective, become kook fringe?

    EVEN the NRA is pushing AGAINST training mandates. Are their 100,000+ members in Wisconsin the "kook fringe"?

    In 2010 the Wisconsin GOP changed their party platform at the state convention to support right to carry concealed WITHOUT a permit. Are they all "kook fringe"

    The massive Wisconsin Tea-Party coalition and all of its 100+ independent member groups support constitutional carry. Are they and the 10's of thousands of law-abiding everyday folks they consist of all "kook fringe"?

    It appears there is an out-of-touch "kook fringe" in this story, but its the
    radio talk show hosts who sit on their perch behind microphones, pretend to be conservatives and talk down to the rest of us.

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    My emails to skykes & wagner:

    "Hello,

    My name is Chris *****. Iím 24 years old and I consider myself one of Wisconsinís average law-abiding citizens. I donít feel itís necessary to pay a tax and register with the government to be able to carry discreetly in public. As law-abiding WI citizens, we already have the right to practice open carry which allows us to carry a loaded handgun in public as long as it is openly displayed. Why should we have to pay a tax to cover our weapon with a coat when itís cold out? We currently do not require any training to exercise this right, and so what difference does a coat make?

    Thank you for listening,"

    and my email to Tom Land:

    "Dear Mr. Land,

    My name is Chris ******, Iím 24 years old and I consider myself a law-abiding Wisconsin citizen. I work a full-time job and I enjoy my freedom afforded to me by Wisconsinís constitution. I donít appreciate it when radio talk show hosts refer to me as part of the ďkook fringeĒ because I think we should be able to carry concealed handguns without a permit. We already can carry openly without a permit, and so why should we have to pay a tax to obtain a carry permit and cost WI millions of dollars it canít afford on a permitting system? If itís cold out and I want to be able to protect myself when I run out to get milk at 1AM, why does my coat require a permit to carry a gun when I could otherwise openly carry a gun without a permit? Please consider who some of your listeners are and that we donít like being called ďkooksĒ because we choose to exercise our right to self-defense in an already dangerous world.

    Sincerely,"
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    Exclamation Sent Four Emails...got one response so far...

    From Tom Sheridan: "Thanks for sharing your opinion".

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    i'd like to say thank you on behalf of the group and myself, and i hope we passed the audition(1). added this honor to my signature: Kook Fringe.

    (1); who knows this one uttered by who? when?

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    And that is how charles and jeffery would feel in the day of the founding of this country, Can you imagine when the Declaration of Independance was being written or the Bill of Rights ? Our founding Fathers would be concidered kooks by these two rino paper patriots, They can both, well you know.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJQ34JTqk0I

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    ****** give it away ( Our rights ) prostitutes sell it (Mandated training).

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    Exclamation My Thoughts Exactly!

    Quote Originally Posted by springfield 1911 View Post
    And that is how charles and jeffery would feel in the day of the founding of this country, Can you imagine when the Declaration of Independance was being written or the Bill of Rights ? Our founding Fathers would be concidered kooks by these two rino paper patriots, They can both, well you know.
    See you tonight at Lizzy's! McX had decided to show his mug tonight at Lizzy's!

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    Oh no! Not a kook convention! Run sheeple, run!
    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

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    Exclamation You mean like WAVE used their remarks for YouTube?

    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    I was listening to the live broadcast the day Sykes and Wagner discussed the kook fringe remark. It was about five minutes before twelve o clock like everyday the two discuss current issues.

    Yes, it got me going for a minute, but Sykes and Wagner do this every day to boost ratings. And yes Sykes and Wagner want permits and training but this was a two minute conversation that is meaningless.

    When they start devoting a good portion of their show to permits and training will be a time when I become concerned.

    The kook fringe remarks that day was just hype for their shows. If you so desire to email them with smarmy junk, they will hammer you with permit and training crap on their shows. It is basically a live and let live situation. I do not care what you do, mess with Sykes and Wagner, they will use your mail to their advantage all day long.
    And if we keep quiet then there must not be any opposition to permits, training, gun registration, etc...

    WAVE took that "2 minute conversation" and linked it to their site and on YouTube.

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    So those who love freedom are crazy?
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    Nobody mentioned anything about freedom and crazy. You are one of a handful of regular posters on this forum who believe well if we get what we want, the rest of the political ramifications will not bother me. Screw everyone else.

    This forum has turned into so much fluff and buff, Mcx sez we dont need no stinkin permits everyday, who cares. Others on here think they have to get kudos by posting, yup I did this and I did that. Meaningless drivel. Alot of you live in a dream world where CC and everything else related to firearm policy in Wisconsin is a gimme.

    Some of the few remaining regular posters on this ever receding forum need to just get things done and not worry about adulation from others on here. Grow up. If you are that insecure you probably should not be handling firearms.
    You know what blayze, if you don't like it, please leave, don't read posts, don't participate here, etc, etc, etc. You have the ability to voice your opinion as anyone else. Some of us continue to fight for what is right while people like you continue to just roll over and die and just accept what is given, or rather, taken from you.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    This is what I got back from Tom Sheridan after I told him about the radio ads:

    Thanks. We are sold out.


    TS
    That makes no sense.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    Exclamation +1 !!

    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    You know what blayze, if you don't like it, please leave, don't read posts, don't participate here, etc, etc, etc. You have the ability to voice your opinion as anyone else. Some of us continue to fight for what is right while people like you continue to just roll over and die and just accept what is given, or rather, taken from you.

    +1 !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    Nobody mentioned anything about freedom and crazy. You are one of a handful of regular posters on this forum who believe well if we get what we want, the rest of the political ramifications will not bother me. Screw everyone else.

    This forum has turned into so much fluff and buff, Mcx sez we dont need no stinkin permits everyday, who cares. Others on here think they have to get kudos by posting, yup I did this and I did that. Meaningless drivel. Alot of you live in a dream world where CC and everything else related to firearm policy in Wisconsin is a gimme.

    Some of the few remaining regular posters on this ever receding forum need to just get things done and not worry about adulation from others on here. Grow up. If you are that insecure you probably should not be handling firearms.
    You seem to be the one who is insecure. If as you say, yours is the "real world" opinion why would our so called "fantasy" threaten you? Methinks thou dost protest too much.
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    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
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    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    Nobody mentioned anything about freedom and crazy. You are one of a handful of regular posters on this forum who believe well if we get what we want, the rest of the political ramifications will not bother me. Screw everyone else.

    This forum has turned into so much fluff and buff, Mcx sez we dont need no stinkin permits everyday, who cares. Others on here think they have to get kudos by posting, yup I did this and I did that. Meaningless drivel. Alot of you live in a dream world where CC and everything else related to firearm policy in Wisconsin is a gimme.

    Some of the few remaining regular posters on this ever receding forum need to just get things done and not worry about adulation from others on here. Grow up. If you are that insecure you probably should not be handling firearms.
    If this forum bothers you so much, why on earth do you come back?
    If all we post is "meaningless drivel" why do you keep reading it?
    You say that we should just "get things done", but I have to ask, what are you doing?

    This forum has helped us work as a team to try to get a few laws changed. It is looking like our work is going to pay off soon. I can't help it if you were never asked to help us out. I for one, don't think I want your help. You look to be a "force of one" and not a team player.
    On top of all of this, you pick on Mcx? Thats just not cool.

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    Mcx sez we dont need no stinkin permits everyday, who cares.
    you pick on Mcx? Thats just not cool.


    i'm big enough to take criticism, no problem. it's sort of an honor to be quoted, and thusly defended.

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    Talking Pick On McX Time! Yee Haw!

    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    Mcx sez we dont need no stinkin permits everyday, who cares.
    you pick on Mcx? Thats just not cool.


    i'm big enough to take criticism, no problem. it's sort of an honor to be quoted, and thusly defended.

    everything is Zen!- kiss, kiss in the rear view.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQzbCsfDhPg
    I'll be picking on him as well as Springfield 1911 and John and anyone else I see at the freaking BBQ today in Janesville! Now that is the place to get the "picking" done! LOL.

    Looking forward to this picnic! Wow has today turned into one heck of a beautiful day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcawdor57 View Post
    I'll be picking on him as well as Springfield 1911 and John and anyone else I see at the freaking BBQ today in Janesville! Now that is the place to get the "picking" done! LOL.

    Looking forward to this picnic! Wow has today turned into one heck of a beautiful day!
    Especially if you have a .45 and a 1911. That really sticks in McX's craw.
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    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    blayze, you seem to have a rather blasť attitude about keeping/claiming our rights...

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    We can not ask one to respect our rights at the cost of theirs'.
    The purpose of fighting is to win,
    there is no victory in defense.
    The sword is more important than the shield,
    and skill is more important than either.
    The final weapon is the brain,
    all else is supplemental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    As far as the so called fight, I fight with monetary contributions. Wanna match the amount of funds I have given WCI? Put your money up.
    Sounds a lot like one of our past members of OCDO.
    I thank you for your money. WCI does need it.
    Guess all I can do, is your leg work... Sorry...

    All the cash in the world will not buy you a real friend. I think I said the same thing to that last past member.


    Truth be told, in this fight I need all the help I can get. If all some are willing to do is show up for dinner, and fill out polls, great. Thats one more vote that I can count on if needed. At the same time if some will ONLY give large sums of cash, thats great also. Money can (and will) be used as well as anything in this fight.
    Some of us are doing our own thing. Getting to town hall meetings, calling, and seeing our reps, printing and handing out fliers, getting to the gun shows (for WCI), the highway cleanups.
    Some of us are the reason CC is coming to Wisconsin.
    Are you one of "us"?

    I don't care who you are. I can only ask, are you one of us?

    I hope you are...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wild boar View Post
    We can not ask one to respect our rights at the cost of theirs'.
    Very true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    All the posts and supposed actions by people on the Wisconsin forum since the beginning of time will have absolutely nothing to do with the outcome in Madison.

    WCI top 3 are the only exceptions.


    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    As far as the so called fight, I fight with monetary contributions. Wanna match the amount of funds I have given WCI? Put your money up.
    Wow! Someone mentioned to me that blayze might be Spartacus. I said no but now, I'm not so sure.

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    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

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    My point is that the opportunities to vote are so far apart, voters are feeling the need for mid-course corrections much more intensely in this RINO, mediocre political climate. So many politicians are failing the trust we bestowed upon them by voting for them. It sure gets to ME!


    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    Very good, nice witty post. Keeping what rights I have is no problem. Claiming more rights wil be up to the politicians I voted for and our now in place to do just that. If they fail in what I consider my expectations are, I simply wil not vote for them in the next regular election they may or may not run in.



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